In remembrance of 4,000
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- liquid
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- designerror0
what's the point?
- the point was to protect the US from the boogeyman, but turns out there ain't no boogeyman.robotron3k
- the boogeyman cannot protect us from the boogeymanflyingnowhere
- 7point340
its been done to death and yet its always sad
- liquid0
a bit of a juxtaposition .. no?
- mrdobolina0
liquid, didn't you vote for bush though?
- harlequino0
Looks a little more like Gerald Ford on the left.
- liquid0
This was when it was 1800...
I was originally a supporter of this... I am no longer ... and I am sad that I was originally a supporter
- Llyod0
I'd prefer if we nuked every major city in the middle east and then swoop in and take the oil. stop beating arouind the bush
- capsize0
only the ministry of oil was protected and therefore not looted.
- liquid0
dobs.....I am not saying that bush in every single thing he has been a proponent of has been wrong... however, this one ...I can undeniably say that he was.
Afghanistan made sense. Still does. Even special ops on the pakistan border... a harder line with Iran and North Korea... would have been the right moves... but this is just a waste.
A lot of people say we should move completely out of Iraq... however, I don't think we will ever be able to.
We never truly ended the war with North Korea. It is an ongoing 30+ year cease fire and we currently have 20,000+ in South Korea.
I read this on a blog about it "Here's the thing about the U.S. troop deployment in South Korea: they are there to die. That's the meaning of a "tripwire" force. The North has one million men under arms. It's generally accepted that in the event of a war the U.S. troops will be pretty thoroughly worked over as the initial assault pours across the DMZ. The death of these GIs is supposed to make it impossible for the U.S. not to come to the aid of the South. A very similliar situation occurred just a decade ago when the 101st Airborne was rushed to Saudia Arabia during the invasion of Kuwait. No one thought that they would be able to stop Iraq if they choose to invade, but their deaths would insure that the U.S. would fight a war.
So the lopsidedness of the Korean deployment comes not from the number of troops but from their intended purpose. The fact of the matter is that the small U.S. contingent has a weight far beyond its numbers. When the North Koreans look across the DMZ they do not see a small opposition force. They see a superpower with advanced weapons, millions of men and women in uniform, and an active if unused draft system. That's the deterrent."
So as unfortunate as it is to say... we will never pull out of Iraq completely. The difference is.... we went to Korea for good reasons. Iraq was a sovereign nation with a bad leader.
If we take this as the new witchhunt strategy.... we should invade china, cuba, north korea, iran, venezuela, and the list goes on....
Jefferson spoke about it "We wish not to meddle with the internal affairs of any country, nor with the general affairs of Europe. Peace with all nations, and the right which that gives us with respect to all nations, are our object." --Thomas Jefferson to C. W. F. Dumas, 1793. ME 9:56
- 100% agree with you on Afghanistan, but Bush dropped the ball even on that.TheBlueOne
- mrdobolina0
I think you're full of shit on a lot of levels, but you are entitled to be.
- fifty500
4,000 now? Just a couple nights ago I was reading that the US death count was at 3,996. This is a shame.
- chuparosa0
That picture made me really angry.
Let's not forget about all the other soldiers who have fought alongside the US and died, as well as all the innocent people who have lost their lives. A truly horrible war that has to end.
- ukit0
BAGHDAD — Iraqi forces clashed with Shiite militiamen Tuesday in the southern oil port of Basra and rockets rained down on the U.S.-protected Green Zone in Baghdad as followers of Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr expanded a nationwide backlash against government crackdowns.
The U.S. Embassy said no deaths or serious casualties were reported in the Green Zone attacks _ the second major barrage this week launched from Shiite areas. Two rockets landed on Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's compound, but did not explode, an Iraqi government security official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because he wasn't authorized to disclose the information.
Al-Maliki was in Basra, where he is supervising the operation against the Shiite militia fighters. At least 25 people were killed in the Basra fighting, officials said.
The violence marked a stunning escalation in the confrontation between the Shiite-run government and al-Sadr's forces, who have bitterly complained about the recent arrests of hundreds of backers.
The clashes also threaten to reverse the security gains achieved by U.S. and Iraqi forces. The Bush administration has hailed the decline in violence as a key sign that Iraq is headed for better days.
Al-Sadr declared a unilateral cease-fire last August. That move _ along with a U.S. troop buildup and a Sunni alliance with the American forces _ has contributed to a steep drop in violence.
But the truce is now under serious pressure. Al-Sadr's allies have grown increasingly angry over U.S. and Iraqi raids and detentions, demanding the release of followers.
- 2pence0
I actually find that to be more disrespectful than anything.
- colin_s0
i find it pretty ridiculous that 4,000 soldier's deaths are making headlines while the hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of dead, injured, and/or displaced iraqis goes relatively unreported.
it's not even like they had a say in the matter to begin with.
- +1,000,000mrdobolina
- Yanks only care about Yanks -- and even then not so muchi_monk
- racialistmrdobolina
- the entire situation is very sad and evil. the dead iraqi's aren't forgotten either.Tara
- "hundreds of thousands (if not millions)" ??
if not millions my fucking arse.rounce
- robotron3k0
Starting a war under the wrong pretense is not very good, but if Bush would have slept with a prostitute, that would be grounds to have him removed from office. There you have it folks.
- BonSeff0
over 5 million people are unemployed
- cannonball0
I have to say this "4000 dead" is sort of myopic and self-centered, considering the total amount of innocent people killed over the war in general. That's like saying the tragedy of the war is only for Americans, which is along the same lines of thinking that led us to where we are now with how the world sees us.
- this war is only for americans..
those brown people will come around to our democratic waysBonSeff
- this war is only for americans..
- TheBlueOne0
Iraq is about to blow the fuck up. I fully expect the Iraqi "Tet Offensive" moment within about three weeks time...we're going to see alot of dead more 'Merican boys very soon...
- So uhm, wheres all this talk of a holiday ceasefire you've somehow picked up on?rounce
- TheBlueOne0
- great program, I fired up my TV for this one last night. It's crazy how they refer to bush, like he's gone already.robotron3k
- Who?TheBlueOne
- watching now
BonSeff - Part II is tonight.Mimio