Wire Tapping
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- lvl_130
hahaha at 'bud'!!
sorry, i'll step out now.
- mrdobolina0
nice dodge...
- k0na_an0k0
hahaha at 'bud'!!
sorry, i'll step out now.
lvl_13
(Oct 9 07, 13:37)yes.
bud is one step below 'bro' but not as high as 'pal', 'sport' or 'assface'.
- lvl_130
i personally love using 'pal'. people don't know how to respond to that.
- Mimio0
"Game on broheem!"
- mrdobolina0
"If you don't have anything to hide, what do you care..."
k0na_an0k
(Oct 9 06, 13:41)
- k0na_an0k0
haha. me too lvl_13. it's really a great word.
- flashbender0
I see a viable third or fourth party as a HUGE improvement.
tommyo
(Oct 9 07, 13:33)
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I'm convinced that is the only way things will change... Love to see at least 4 parties. Optimally, like 10 would be awesome. It would make the house and senate mean something again.
- PonyBoy0
Does anyone believe it necessary to 'give up' something so that in the future... you have it IN ABUNDANCE?
That's how I feel about civil liberties in this given day and age.
In order to prevent another 9/11 size tragedy (which has yet to occur again... even in a minimal sense in the U.S.)... I do believe it necessary to do the 'neighborly' thing and give up certain rights to guarantee them in the future...
... especially given the state of this world.
Go ahead and call me a 'cunt' because I'm willing to give up some of my freedoms so that YOU AND I can have them in the future.
There has to be a reasonable middle-road here... if you don't believe that 'terra' exists... then you're lost and you're not paying attention.
- mrdobolina0
Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.
Ben Franklin
- k0na_an0k0
NO WAY PONYBOY. IF WE JUST GET RID OFF ALL THE REPUBLICANS, AND HAVE A GOVERNMENT OF 100% DEMOCRATS ALL THE PROBLEMS IN THE UNITE.... NO... THE UNIVERSE WOULD BE SOLVED.
SORRY FOR THE CAPS. I'M DOING SOME WORK WITH THE CAPS LOCK ON AT THE MOMENT AND I CAN'T BE ASSED WITH TURNING IT OFF.
OH, AND THAT WAS SARCASM ABOVE. :)
PONY TOWN IN THE HOUSE!
- PonyBoy0
Ben's full of shit on that one then...
... you can't live in harmony w/your neighbor if you don't find a middle-road to get along...
... that requires being 'reasonable'...
... sometimes you need to give up what's most precious in order to guarantee in the future...
... this country will disappear in time if both security and civil liberties aren't kept in check..
... but you have to be 'reasonable' in order for it all to work...
... what Ben said... is not reasonable.
- Rand0
on the upside, it looks like the d300 is gonna be great at high iso
- mrdobolina0
ponyboy, what civil liberties were lost when we had 3,000 missiles aimed at US cities or during WW2, all of them or none of them?
- flashbender0
My biggest fear with giving up any liberties to this government - and by this government I don;t mean this administration, I mean the US government - Republican or Democrat - is that once you give things up you will never ever get them back unless something drastic happens. And by drastic I mean revolt of some kind.
The entire system of checks and balances that used to be in place has been corrupted beyond repair in my opinion.
- Mimio0
I think the "reasonable" way has already been tried. Now, those powers should expire. The Dems have the right idea we should revise the FISA system appropriately and change the way warrants are issued. The blanket warrants are unconstitutional.
- PonyBoy0
ponyboy, what civil liberties were lost when we had 3,000 missiles aimed at US cities or during WW2, all of them or none of them?
mrdobolina
(Oct 9 07, 14:01)
---i can't answer that dobs... and that's old news...
... we live in a different world were we can communicate on-the-fly... where info moves IMMEDIATELY...
... I can't compare the world we live in now to even 20 years ago... the cold war is gone...
... we're not faced w/just a single political giant on the other side (Russia)...
... now it's a terror cell here... a training camp there... not in ONE specific politically unified realm/country... but an absolute UNKNOWN number of RELIGIOUSLY DRIVEN MILITANTS...
... hiding... here and there... ready to plant a lil bomb here... and blow up a bus over there...... you cannot compare the state of our World to 20 years ago and expect to glean anything useful to apply to today's issue...
... our world doesn't fit that old playbook....
... this 'threat' comes from one of 'faith'... not one of political desire.
- Mimio0
Also, national security seems like an illusion. There's 10-12 million people in this country without a visa, id, or passport. They could be anyone.
- k0na_an0k0
*thread battle put on hold while rick franticly rides his fixed gear bike (keepin it real) home to log back on. 20 minute time out.
*bunny-hops over curb
"oh i can't wait to tell kona he's an asshat meathead.... THAT will learn him!" - rick