Wire Tapping
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- mrdobolina0
nope.
you do know that known anti-war activists are being put on no-fly lists, under surveillance etc, right?
the shit is being abused, thus the reason for no paper trail behind it. that is all it is about. you can tap the fuck out of terrorists phones, but get a court order. a paper trail. accountability, oversight. you know, so that noone becomes a tyrant over it.It blows my mind that the party that doesnt want government in their business are so quick to give away everything.
Seriously, what the fuck does being conservative mean anymore? When I was a kid, conservatives were tough bastards who didnt need the government to do anything for them because they could take care of themselves and sure as hell didnt want the gov digging around their personal business.
kev, did you guys have a meeting where yall flipped the script or was it just an osmosis type thing?
- tommyo0
Rick,
All I was pointing out was that this isn't a case of a Veto, it's a bill being brought forth by democrats. I didn't say that 'they all had a big fucking tea party and Mr. Bear got all of them, yes, including Mrs. Funnypants, to propose a bill. They always tow the party line those stuffed animals!'
- PonyBoy0
**Begin Essay**
It took Ben Franklin WEEKS to mail a letter to England...
... today he could IM Crouwel and have a font packaged and in his inbox in under 30 seconds (pending on how drunk Crouwel was of course)...
My point?
... if Ben were alive today, Dobs... he'd rethink his stance...
...he was fighting to start a nation...
... it seems that the fight now is to keep that nation together...
... and I'm not proposing a police state of big-brother tactics... but there are times when it's necessary to tap a few fucking phones under good suspicion FFS!!
So my phone accidentally gets tapped and someone hears me having phone sex or worse... ordering a pizza!!!
OH BOO-FUCKING-HOOOO!!
Like I said... 'terra' is real... Don't you think (figuratively) that's it's 'okay' to 'tighten your belt' from time to time...
...so it may be loosened MOST of the time.'Perfect' does not exist... be reasonable.
And SIX YEARS IS NOT REASONABLE.
Bush was right to say (years back) that this 'fight' would continue long past his term... he was right about that.
You know how you have to spend money to make money?... you know how you have to give up a weekend to maybe... oh... clean the house... do some laundry etc etc...
... my point is that you constantly have to 'go back' and adjust in order to maintain for the long-run... sometimes that adjustment requires you give up something you 'cherish' if for only a 'moment'...in order to get it back...
...and I think Ben would agree knowing how easily information can move these days.
**End Essay**
- czawada0
"nice dodge...
members.lycos.nl/dodge... [jpg]k0na_an0k
(Oct 9 07, 13:41)"Indeed, I'll take one of those!
- mrdobolina0
It's their own bill they're proposing.
tommyo
(Oct 9 07, 15:49)tommy, you act like the democrats always agree on everything. they arent in lockstep like the opposition, thus the reason why they disappoint people.
- tommyo0
I really don't blame the Dems for the congress not being able to beat a veto.
Mimio
(Oct 9 07, 15:47)It's their own bill they're proposing.
- Mimio0
I really don't blame the Dems for the congress not being able to beat a veto.
- mrdobolina0
how does that make me feel?
Tommy, you're a dick.
I am not trying to defend democrats. What gets me is you guys say 'they are exactly the same' and they're not, have you watched the debates?
Dems deal with real issues, you might not think so but they actually talk about problems that face pur nation.
Republicans deal with abortion, gay dudes, jesus and the spectre of terrorism.
Havent you noticed that? The demographic they are going for are completely different.
The way I see it is if you arent progressive, get out of the fucking way.
- tommyo0
I couldn't believe when I heard that the approval rating for Bush is 29% and the congress got 11%...I mean, shouldn't we be walking the streets with torches? How low do approval ratings get before we shake the picnic blanket really hard to get rid of the crumbs?
- BonSeff0
but i will agree, the dem congress is a huge disappointment
- BonSeff0
the only 2 dems that have a hard line stance are kucinich and gravel, and paul on the repub side. and all three are seen as batshit crazy..
- tommyo0
Rick, that's not the case at all...that's just your justification. Helps you sleep at night to think that the foe of my enemy is my friend.
Democrats have been selling you guys a dream, pandering to what you want to hear. Now when it's time to put the rubber to the road, they drive just like Republicans. Hillary is back peddling on Iraq, congress is back peddling from wire taps. How does that make you feel?
- mrdobolina0
because the republicans play dirty and will call dems pussies if they dont vote for it, I am not defending it but that is a fact.
Republicans are evil and dems are pussies.
- tommyo0
Ben Franklin never met Osama.
I think we need to bend a little for our freedoms...but I think, and this is just my personal opinion...but a Judge should be stamping these wire taps, why Dems and Republicans are fighting for warrant less taps is beyond my comfort level.
- mrdobolina0
ponyboy, ben franklin was right.
- mrdobolina0
kona,I love how you never respond to anything I say...
I realize I make fun of your dumb ass but at least I take part in the debate, you fucking clown.
- tommyo0
At least we would know who they were if they were citizens or registered visitors. Instead we've got people with expired visas hijacking jets.
Mimio
(Oct 9 07, 14:32)Yeah we gotta fix this immigration plan. That's one of the things that really gets me going. Out here in the San Fernando Valley they put up a bunch of those red light cameras...to catch people running red and issue them a ticket...well it turns out, a year later...some 50% of the people who ran them...their license plates are expired, false, etc. etc. - So basically, 50% of the people who run red lights here, are illegals. Insane! How are we even okay with this?? We're so worried about tapping phones but we don't tighten our borders?
- Mimio0
At least we would know who they were if they were citizens or registered visitors. Instead we've got people with expired visas hijacking jets.
- PonyBoy0
lollllzzzzzzz @ 'bunny-hops over curb'...
HAHAHAHA!!!!!
- PonyBoy0
NO SHIT MIMIO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
//but fuck it... let's let assholes like 'immigrants w/out borders' tell us how immigration should be run... that way anyone can just come in!!! The world is nothing but daisy's and cupcakes!!!
*hangs sugarplums around the thread and prepares to be called a racist in the process