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- TheBlueOne0
I don't know where my thinking on this issue is, other than I see both sides but still think the decision should ultimate rest with the woman and not the State.
Way back in 1990 my girlfriend at the time got pregnant. I was dumb and 22 at the time. She insisted on getting an abortion no matter what I said even though it's not like I was protesting in anyway.
Over the years I've always sat back and wondered the "Wow. I cuold've had a kid that would be "x" years old now..." And retrospectively I was a bit miffed that I, as father didn't have any say on what her decision was - What if I had wanted her to keep it? Would I of had any recourse being the father?
However, that said, I look at me life now and ponder what my life would've been like saddled to that particular ex-girlfriend and all her attendent problems (and their were maaaany - also knowing how she ended up in not a good place, and that our relationship went veeery bad and got veeerrry messy - infidelity on her part, drug use, etc...) and what the family life would've been for that child..and it feels like I dodged a bullet.
I am now happily married to a woman I consider a perfect partner and we look forward to rasining som e kids of our own in the near future - children I am quite confident we can provide for and who I can be an excellent father too (unlike my 22 year old self)...
If I had to make the decision all over again I probably wouldn't of gone with the abortion, but that's knowing what I know now and how I personally feel about it, but at the time it was the "right" decision and I think that has played out overtime. But it is by no means an easy area to deal with - ethically and emotionally - and because of that the less the State is involved the better IMHO..
- lemmys_wart0
if abortion is so bad why is jesus aborting so many babies?
- lemmys_wart0
...and i really think freddys got no chance. ...if social conservatives (the southern ones who greenlight the nominee) wanted someone like them, it'd be huckabbe... but he's too damn wimpy.
it's a daddy figure that the socially right seem to covet...
and we all know giuliani's got that covered.
- TheBlueOne0
I don't know lemmy..he's an actor and all the Republican Rubes as much as they apparently hate "hollywood" just seem to go all gaga over actors and somehow think they're qualified to do stuff outside of acting because they look good on the teevee.
See, being form NYC and having many friends who are working actors I know from experience I wouldn't put anyone of them in charge of anything that involved money or important life decisions...
- gramme0
Get real, who contemplates this shit?
mrdobolina
(Sep 7 07, 07:40)People with moral principles. If you don't buy the Bible schtick, see our constitution and the original Bill of Rights that is still considered law (even if it is routinely abused) in this country.
For the record, I wouldn't support the death penalty for my wife if she got an abortion. I would, however, divorce her, in all likelihood. My views on that subject are not so clear as they once were...not even sure anymore if I would support the death penalty for anyone. I can see both sides of that argument.
I think it's worth mentioning that one of the many reasons I married my wife is b/c we are on the same exact ground on matters of faith and morality. She'd rather die a thousand deaths than kill our child. I'd even go so far as to say that I know few young women who are as fond of babies as she is. And I know for a fact that if she was raped, and if she became pregnant, that she would want to keep the baby, in spite of it's awful and traumatizing beginning.
...and yes BonSeff, Texas does indeed have more than its fair share of fundies. So does the SE deep south (Miss., Alabama, Georgia, etc.) I was recently in Alabama for a funeral and came across some pretty ass-backwards, downright sickening examples of legalism. Ca c'est le monde.
- liquid0
yeah those are huge problems that need to be tackled immedately.
republican voters are fucking numbskulls, the fact that these candidates pander to them is proof of that.
mrdobolina
(Sep 6 07, 07:23)wow spitting the knowledge... you are just so eloquent with your words...
- k0na_an0k0
he's digging himself a very large hole at nt.
- TheBlueOne0
I wouldn't say they're numbskulls Dobs, at least not in everyday conversation..sure I've said after Bush was elected the 2nd time, but hey...
A great book to get inside that mindset: Deer Hunting with Jesus
http://www.amazon.com/Deer-Hunti…
and a good podcast interview with author of above book:
http://www.electricpolitics.com/…
(lots of awesome political podcasts on that site as well)
- Mimio0
You can make a pretty good argument that the working poor right-wingers voted against their own self interests in the last two elections. That's pretty thick-headed.
- TheBlueOne0
You can make a pretty good argument that the working poor right-wingers voted against their own self interests in the last two elections. That's pretty thick-headed.
Mimio
(Sep 7 07, 08:46)Yup. theys a-been man-i-pull-a-tud.
I mean it's like they voted to have their jobs shipped overseas and have the social safety net taken away from them at the same time while voting for a war that their kids and fathers would have to fight.
- PonyBoy0
why are some of you folks bringing up the 'death penalty' in conjunction w/this abortion argument?
when I said the aborter and provider should be held accountable for murder... I know I didn't mention the 'death penalty'.
I've said it many times on NT (wow... that makes me a super loser!!!)... that I abhor death in any way shape or form... it disgusts me - and anything attached to death... sickness, war... murder...
... all disgust me.
stop exaggerating, damnit! ;)
- Mimio0
Pony, it was pointed to the "eye for an eye" Christians, not the politically neutral ones like yourself (sorta).
- tommyo0
Mrdobolina,
You sir are a big bloat chested pussy. You obviously wanted to carry on this debate with me until I emailed you my number...then suddenly I'm not worth your time? Pussy pussy pussy pussy. You are a pussy. Hide behind your computer and say what you want, but the real world scares you, because you are a pussy.
and you smell
like a big pussy.
- PonyBoy0
can I have your number tommy?
*feels a glorious craigslist opportunity coming on...
- tommyo0
haha hey I sent you my ichat s/n yesterday. I got lotioned up and was sitting there waiting for you...nothing....a big fat nothing.
- k0na_an0k0
lol@tommyo
- PonyBoy0
lotion?!!
- tommyo0
Yes...it got cold. But I waited...with the AC on.
- PonyBoy0
299
- PonyBoy0
300!!!!!!!!!