Borat Attacked!
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- Baskerville0
i guess to sum up my feelings, if this film was released say 4 years ago, there would have been uproar.
Government bans some "grey" areas of free speech and no one bats an eye lid. (I presume everyone was fine with this except me and rowan atkinson).
Couple of years later, you're all watching a film laden with 'racist' jokes, and everything's cool and the gang.
It's amazing.
moth
(Nov 14 06, 06:27)ahh, more clear now thanks.
maybe it's because I didn't read the whole thread.Do you think there could ever be a muslim equivilent of Borat. ie a muslim comedian who pretends to be someone from a country that hates muslims. Would be pretty easy in america, not that those views need exposing in america.
I remember the whole debate a year or so ago with comedians protesting against free speech laws affecting comedy.
I wouldn't ever want people like alf garnett or jim davidson to be popular but there is a fine line with the whole satirical route as to how close you can get, I agree that borat walks that line
- thepod0
i believe cohen himself is jewish, so how is he being rascist. the only people that should be offended by this movie are the rascist/sexist/homophobes that are shown in a bad light in this film. god forbid anybody poke fun at how insane the people of this world are.
- moth0
i believe cohen himself is jewish, so how is he being rascist.
thepod
(Nov 14 06, 06:39)I think him jewish is a null and void point here.
- Baskerville0
i believe cohen himself is jewish, so how is he being rascist.
thepod
(Nov 14 06, 06:39)I think him jewish is a null and void point here.
moth
(Nov 14 06, 06:44)agreed, now that I understand what your issue is.
It's like in the Office when David Brent tells a black joke and gets in trouble. Then when put in a corner he asks the only black guy in the office if he found it offensive, as if only black people should be offended by racism about black people.
- babaganush0
Are you serious about the fact that just because someone is from a certain race, they can't be accused of racism related to that creed?
That's ridiculous. it's like the where do we stand on the word nigger? as I for one don't know it's connotations anymore - if it was once used to oppress people and is now reclaimed by the very people it oppressed, how long is this meant to eradicate thoughts of where the word came from in the first place. the world is definately and demonstrably becoming more racist, whether we like it or not. It's a vicious circle.
- Jaline0
Are you serious about the fact that just because someone is from a certain race, they can't be accused of racism related to that creed?
That's ridiculous. it's like the where do we stand on the word nigger? as I for one don't know it's connotations anymore - if it was once used to oppress people and is now reclaimed by the very people it oppressed, how long is this meant to eradicate thoughts of where the word came from in the first place. the world is definately and demonstrably becoming more racist, whether we like it or not. It's a vicious circle.
babaganush
(Nov 14 06, 06:49)Yes, other people believe it's okay to use the word because the people in the offended community are using it themselves. I used to think this was okay because the people being at the end of the racist comment were using it themselves, and only within their own 'people', but I also realize that this only sustains the word. You can't hide the word, obviously, but continually using it only makes it like 'fuck' now....it doesn't have the same effect as it used to, whatever that means. And so other people believe it's okay to use a racist word all the time, even in public with random people around them.
"Fuck" is a bit different b/c it also depends on the person using it, because if someone who never swears uses it it's because they want to get a certain effect out of it. And it's not a racist thing.
- thepod0
black people make movies poking fun at black people...nobody bats an eye. italians are portrayed as mobsters...no problem. should i punch out the wayans brothers for making fun of "white chicks"? this movie pokes fun at everyone. my point is that the worst people in this moviefilm, are the real ones that are rascist/sexist/homophobes. borat is a character...those people are not. be disgusted with them. turns out that the rascist fratboy in the movie is sueing the cohen because he is portrayed in a bad light. now that's funny.
- k0na_an0k0
it's about time he got his ass kicked.
bye bye borat. i think from here on out it should be manditory people beat his ass when he tries to make them stupid.
- thepod0
if they ARE stupid...how is he making them stupid. 10 bucks says drunk rascist fratboy is that way even when he's sober. how is cohen shining a light on him a bad thing?
- babaganush0
I don't think he deserves beatingup at all...I just think it's an occupational hazard that he needs to accept and gets well rewarded for. He is funny...but for how long.
- Baskerville0
I think that highlighting people's racist attitudes is fine but only if they freely present them to you. That used to be how borat was.
For the film and more recently it seems like he's going out of his way make people look stupid without them coming to him. This is when the character deteriorates.The same happened with Ali G. The Ali G movie became a film for the people that Ali G was originally created to make fun of.
Baron cohen is happy to milk his creations for all their worth
- babaganush0
Good point Baskerville. I think he has well and truly become seduced by the US$ and exploted the gap for a humble America now seemingly wishing to be right-on and kick Bush out and be hip to beat up on corporate backed war. Baron Cohen used to be originally, he is now as much of a corporate whore as the politicians he berates.
- traut0
I want my 6.50 back. It was only mildly entertaining.
- Witt0
MooooººººOOOh!
- Kuz0
oi vey! the things they say...(!)
- Witt0
sorry. right thread.
- kelpie0
TELL ME A RACIST JOKE!
paraselene
(Nov 14 06, 06:29)check your mail.
- valentim0
isn´t he jewish?
- paraselene0
:D
hiya kelpie, how's tricks? you have to come back more than this or i'm going to overtake you in the nt profiles, see?
- kelpie0
its a real shame too, I have so much to add to this futile argument, hehe ;)