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- Continuity0
'What's stopping people from creating Flash sites today?'
As such, nothing; however, the anti-Flash/pro-Turn-the-Interweb... crowd have managed to change perceptions against the technology, which makes it an incredibly hard sell.
Trend or not, this one is really difficult to break through.
- Can't wait for a fully specced authoring tool for html5/canvas/etcmikotondria3
- Whatever it was it wasn't Steve jobs.monospaced
- Llyod0
flash still has life but mainly for ads and video. sucks.
- chossy0
Remember the mill used to have a sweet flash site... not now it just looks like all the others, completely forgettable :(
- Continuity0
Other memorable campaign microsites (Flash):
- Vodafone Future Vision (North Kingdom — and a major inspiration for me)
- Being Henry (Quite recent, can't remember the agency responsible)
- ONLY The Liberation (Again, North Kingdom, together with Uncle Grey)
- chrisRG0
For the web (full websites) Flash is dead. But ActionScript lives, I've been building iOS and Android Apps with AIR, it's the way to go.
For the web it's easier to explain to a client that a website will only works on modern browsers than try selling Flash.
- formed0
Remember Hi-Res? Damn, there stuff is no better now either. Donnie Darko? I loved that the sites were truly an experience, something unpredictable and fun. Now we just have stupid grids everywhere (yeah, yeah, works great for boring crap, I get that).
Firstborn still have their flash site live, thank god, that was a great one too.
Man, this is making me feel nostalgic! If the web were like it is today I surely would have never been interested at all (I left a career as an architect for it). There's nothing to sell a client on, web design wise, anymore. It is just a grid compatible with mobile, that's it. Investments plummet, too, as you can't really do anything interesting, there is no value in spending anything more on online.
- reanimate0
Interesting discussion. I think it's more a case of people following trends than anything. Even before the iPad was released, the trend in the design community was towards minimal, functional sites without Flash.
There is nothing stopping people today from doing experimental work - whether with Flash, HTML5 or some other technology - but people see a certain kind of website and assume they have to follow the mold.
- formed0
True, things were advancing to something more functional vs. experimental, but they were still "good".
But things were easier with Flash. You knew it would work on all browsers, now there's no way.
I disagree that people want to follow the mold, though. Our clients want that Flash website from 5 years ago, but there's no way they'll pay for anything similar nowadays. Just too many variables to make it practical to 'try' to create something different/better than the norm.
So I have to educate them that it is just not practical to do anything 'cool' anymore. Not one client is happy they can't do a Flash site, I can assure you that (at least out clients).It is only because of the iPad that our clients don't do Flash websites anymore. And the monopolistic power of Apple has created a market that has no choice or flexibility but to conform.
- Really? No one I talk to wants a Flash website anymorereanimate
- sureshot0
new site up
- detritus0
Strikes me that a lot of these beloved grandiose showcase sites from yesteryear indicate more an industry struggling to come to terms with an entirely new medium, rather than a contemporary drop in creativity.
Also, you lot growing up a little, closing off some of your previously favoured means of discovery and cynically glossing over that which you don't show an interest in.
*shrugs*
- Continuity0
'Strikes me that a lot of these beloved grandiose showcase sites from yesteryear indicate more an industry struggling to come to terms with an entirely new medium, rather than a contemporary drop in creativity.'
Not entirely sure about this. You could also interpret it as a sort of Marketing Communication v Tech-Focused Web fight.
For ages, the Web was all about informational websites, without any sort of entertainment value ... Jakob Nielsen's wet dream, really. It was conceived by geeks, run by geeks ('webmasters'!) and the geeks often dismissed the inherent creative possibilities. In those days, one _built_ websites, one didn't _create_ communication concepts using the Web and all of its fun tech as a medium.
Enter the agencies, who have a go at making it entertaining and engaging, and so we get all of those really cool showcase sites.
The problem is, the geeks got to the Web first before the agencies did, and hammered on and on and on about things like low image overhead, usability, grids and all of the things Nielsen's band of Zombie Interweb Gestapo managed to convince the broader internet-using public were Good Things.
The death of Flash is part of that battle, in a sense; Nielsen and his gang of anti-design thugs went on and on about how bad Flash is, and a lot of his old arguments came back as Flash was on its last leg, and Steve Jobs gave it the finger.
So now, it's back to a Web for geeks. WordPressing and Bootstrapping geeks, but geeks all the same. With any luck, technology will develop in such a way that the common platforms can offer something in the way of creative latitude in the same way Flash did.
- spk0
they kill it. so damn good. but a perhaps a little bit design for designs sake....
if i want flowers.. id probably use 1800flowers.com first.
- ozhanlion0
I think it fits to modern minimal design if there is something like that. Things that have computation in itself feels more interesting in general
- fate0
Remember Parasol Island?
It was an island of their own creation you could explore. Really well done and beautifully animated.
Now their site looks like every other Ca/rgo site:
- formed0
I guess the worst part I see is that there is no differentiation between the low and high ends. Before, you'd see the campaigns as mentioned already, that were full experiences, movies, animations, all customized to be an interactive experience. Some AMAZING creativity combined with great programming (damn, G94 was sooooo smooth!).
Now we get everyone's page looking like a template (more or less). So why would anyone spend much on webdesign? There's nothing worth investing in beyond the grid template, and even then, you might as well just buy a template because even "custom" looks like a template at the end of the day!
I do hope there is some progress. There are glimpses here and there, but it is happening so much slower than even Flash developed way back when.
Oh well, at least WP and such make generic easier and you don't ever have to worry about another company really being 'better'.
- Engage0
alos nice stuff
- raf0
What happened?
- sureshot0
I miss the old days of flash. browsing portfolio sites, surfstation, were-here and even flashkit. I dont do shit no more. Almost every site look the same now. Flash made sites more fun. I remember when this site went online: http://wireframe.co.za/yulia/eng… I though how the fuck are they doing the roll-Overs with the image in the header. I could spend days and nights trying to figure that shit out. Good times.