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  • ozhanlion

    nice sites.

    I hope I am not high
    http://www.justchrys.com/
    http://www.dekempvader.be/

    Oct 27, 06, 10:57 p.m. – Permalink
  • spk

    they kill it. so damn good. but a perhaps a little bit design for designs sake....

    if i want flowers.. id probably use 1800flowers.com first.

    • DO NOT USE FTD flowers. They've been emailing me 3 times a day. Unsubscribe hasn't worked.nb1/3
      Organized botanical crimeZOOP2/3
      yeah they spam the shit out of me toomoldero3/3
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    Dog-earOct 27, 06, 11:28 p.m. – Permalink
  • ozhanlion

    I think it fits to modern minimal design if there is something like that. Things that have computation in itself feels more interesting in general

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    Dog-earOct 27, 06, 11:33 p.m. – Permalink
  • Engage

    alos nice stuff

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    Dog-earOct 28, 06, 4:38 a.m. – Permalink
  • sureshot

    new site up

    http://www.group94.com/

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    Dog-earFeb 23, 13, 3:17 a.m. – Permalink
  • raf

    What happened?

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    Dog-earFeb 23, 13, 7:03 a.m. – Permalink
  • formed

    So sad...one of the best firms out there for so long, and now that Apple has killed Flash they are left making the same generic stuff.

    Funny, I was flipping through there "Latest Projects" and though "oh, now this one is not so bad"...whoops, that one is Flash.

    • Apple didn't kill Flash, they just acknowledged it was dead.raf1/5
      Apple absolutely killed Flash. It was not dead when Jobs declared warformed2/5
      I thought it was in decline even before I got the first iPhone. Jobs did facilitate the demise but it was coming anyway.raf3/5
      It's retarded to blame ONE phone for the death of flash. It ran on EVERY OTHER device and still does.monospaced4/5
      'apple killed flash' is obviously a sweeping statement, but was definitely job's intention, and it is dead.kingsteven5/5
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    Dog-earFeb 23, 13, 7:21 a.m. – Permalink
  • Llyod

    shit their flash work was way better

    • They knew how to extensively use UI animation and still keep it tasteful and snappy back then.raf
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    Dog-earFeb 23, 13, 9:42 a.m. – Permalink
  • identity

    There's a name i haven't heard in a while.

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    Dog-earFeb 23, 13, 10:01 a.m. – Permalink
  • breadlegz

    Looks like they relied pretty heavily on flash to make their designs work. These new ones are pretty bland.

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    Dog-earFeb 23, 13, 10:28 a.m. – Permalink
  • formed

    Yup, when Apple killed Flash they essentially killed web design, imho.

    Still a need for websites, obviously, but the 'design' part has been dumbed down to boring WordPress looking themes. It'll be a while before we really see good/great design again, imho.

    Clients still want Flash-like quality/sophistication, but they will never (or mine won't) pay to develop something with the way things are now.

    A shame, I loved G94's work for so long.

    • Adobe killed flashmonospaced1/2
      HTML5 and CSS3 are great tools, not as practical as flash but close enough for now.zarkonite2/2
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    Dog-earFeb 23, 13, 10:42 a.m. – Permalink
  • breadlegz

    formed - I agree with you that that's what happened. But I disagree that's how it needs to stay.

    In my humble opinion, the best creativity comes from restriction and that's what we have now.

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    Dog-earFeb 23, 13, 11:26 a.m. – Permalink
  • raf

    This is actually one of my favourite dead horses to beat. As I wrote recently elsewhere:

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    Flash was a fantastic technology which still hardly can be matched 15 years later. It had to go though because it never overcame its major issues, most stemming from the fact that it was a lump of foreign body in the browser.

    - It never communicated with JS smoothly enough.

    - It broke standard browser UI behaviours — history, back/forward button, escape, save as.

    - It resided within a fixed-size space and while this could be changed, it wasn't cooperating with JS/DOM smoothly enough.

    - It had deep linking problems requiring hash hacks to work (and not smoothly across browsers).

    - It didn't have a clear and simple way of embedding and when people came up with FlashObject they got legal threats from Adobe and had to rename it to SWFObject — which was just a sample of what to expect from them in the future.

    - On top of that, Adobe kept screwing their original customer base — designers — by focusing on making Action Script a "proper" programming language rather than multimedia authoring tool. I know many designers who never even licked AS3.0, dropping Flash entirely instead.

    - SEO incompatibility was a biggie too.

    Add to that, the web was ready to get simpler. I was one of those who believed internet in the 2010's would be like interactive television. I was wrong, it went on to become something simple and text-based, like the "interactive print" it is now.

    If you search QBN from 2006, 2007 you'll see people were doubting Flash had a future in web as it was. Remember the fiasco of Roadrunner, Kontain and other FI sites?

    • "it was a lump of foreign body in the browser."i_was1/2
      The web is "interactive print". Are you kidding?studderine2/2
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    Dog-earFeb 23, 13, 12:12 p.m. – Permalink
  • Llyod

    It's painful to see formerly great shops relegated to making wordpress sites

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    Dog-earFeb 23, 13, 3:38 p.m. – Permalink
  • chossy

    100% agree flash was absolutely amazing it made the internet interesting virile and fresh. Sites these days are dry and completely soules.

    Creativity comes from restriction, in my opinion is nonsense. A creative mind is a free mind. Slam some pretty solid walls of code around that mind and watch the web crumble. Just look at group 94.

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    Dog-earFeb 23, 13, 3:55 p.m. – Permalink
  • utopian

    R.I.P. Adobe Flash & Group94, what ashame!

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    Dog-earFeb 23, 13, 3:59 p.m. – Permalink
  • inteliboy

    You guys sound like old men, with this romantic idea of the good ol times. 90% of flash sites were utter rubbish. Plus it was a plugin. Good riddance.

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    Dog-earFeb 23, 13, 4 p.m. – Permalink
  • mikotondria3

    Oh dear ^, inteliboy - it's a nostalgia for the movement and creative environment and culture that it fostered rather than any technical aspect of the tool (which was a bitch, if we're honest).
    90% of everything is rubbish. I'd say even more sites are bad now, because they're bland.
    It was a great time to be creative around 2003 if you were ahead of the curve you could easily bosh out the sort of individual, risk-taking, creative site experiences that clients lined up for, and there was always some awesome new exciting site to learn from that pushed the boundaries of UX, UI and the platform.
    Flash drew closely together so many design disciplines and made it easy to learn about layout, typography, animation, motion graphics, scripting, backend coding. When Adobe naturally tried to expand each of these aspects further into their relevant fields, it began to fall apart - as3 was a bridge too far and the fertile little intersection it had enjoyed diminished.
    Had Adobe spent their time and money perfecting the problems with Flash rather than setting it icarus-like toward the sun, we'd still be using it today.
    If you ever loved Flash, you'll share my heavy heart at how watching it die, it was a bitter pill watching Mr Jobs et al tread over it on their particular journey, but like a brave pal in an old war movie, we knew it was never going to make it home.
    'Go on without me', it gasped, around 2008 - 'I'll be ok.'
    Last seen whoring itself out on facebook on a massive cartoon farm.
    RIP.

    • Stop drilling you have struck oil. The internet was fun creative and beautiful. Never do you hear this about sites these days.chossy1/2
      er...okmikotondria32/2
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    Dog-earFeb 23, 13, 4:20 p.m. – Permalink
  • inteliboy

    I'd say it was more of this wild west immature playground, rather then a golden age of web design.

    Not being facetious here -- I'd love to see some examples of what were these "risk-taking, creative site experiences"? I remember a few instances, say the viral promotion for the Donnie Darko movie... but most I'd say will fall apart under todays standards...

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    Dog-earFeb 23, 13, 5:48 p.m. – Permalink
  • formed

    ib - we are old men. I got excited about web design because of Flash and what people were doing. 99.9% of sites are rubbish now. Flash made bad sites really bad, but it also allowed for amazing sites to really shine.

    It was a plugin, and it worked consistently from browser to browser. When will we see that reliability again?

    Someday, perhaps, we'll get the polished look/experience of Flash, but it is a long way off. Hopefully I am wrong.

    I feel really sorry for those that dedicated their took the time/patience to excel at it.

    m3 - sad. funny. true. gotta let the past rest. I'll tell the next generation of what once was.

    • You are right if it consoles you.raf
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    Dog-earFeb 23, 13, 5:55 p.m. – Permalink
  • Llyod

    http://conclaveobscurum.ru/

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    Dog-earFeb 23, 13, 6:51 p.m. – Permalink

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