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- blastofv0
well those last few posts are pretty defeatist
you guys really think it's fine the way it is now? good for the industry?
shouldn't the personal art and the professional design projects be separate efforts?
- kelpie0
surely this would be more to do with agencies pitching for proper work than a guy holding a competition to design some snowboards, no?
- horton0
bookmarked for educating a few clients.
thx.
- version30
you know this is how things are done now right? contests to spark creativity only to have the payout be your 7.2 seconds of interfame
tv shows have been accepting free content for pennies over several years
just look at americas funniest home videos all the way to comedy centrals contest for the next next internet show on their site
fans clamour to give away content
- dirtydesign0
Arent the snowboard designs on your site spec???
- e-pill0
link?
- dirtydesign0
No link...but under print, Monson snowboard design contest.
- e-pill0
who's?
- dirtydesign0
The hump who posted this...
http://chriszawada.com/
- lvl_130
no offense, and i don't really condone spec work per say, but to be perfectly honest, "spec work" such as the monson snowboard contest, is really just an outlet for many designers to have all-out creative freedom to create something that they love...doing something that they love to do...on their own time. no gun to the head saying you have to do this. no client saying make the type bigger. no boundaries.
if people want to participate in this so called "spec work" then let them. what does it matter to you? YOU are really only as undervalued as YOU think you are. everyone else is just having fun, regardless if they get paid for it or not.
my 2 cents
- ETM0
Seems like a very mixed idea of what Spec work is. To me, it's along the lines of when a client (prospect) wants you to create something for them, and that will be the criteria on whether they hire you or not. If they don't you're SOL for your time. Instead you should be hired based on your portfolio and reputation.
I don't feel most contests are an issue. I recall a huge issue in Vancouver recently because they held a contest for the 2010 Olympic logo. I don't feel that is really spec work. At least artists outside the largest agencies have a chance to showcase their work in events like this, rather than just a couple of the big firms doing it.
- version30
Will I do spec work again?... no. If you don't support the idea that's cool... go about doing more spec work and cheapen yourself even more.
I should have known a legitimate cause would get shit on here.
chz
(Aug 25 06, 06:24)so you being a bitch and insulting about it is going to help?
why attempt to demean another because of a disagreement?
I find these actions more detrimental than any spec-work done by any designer or agency.
funny how we try to advocate comradery when in reality we are all competing for very similar work
your above statement probably has more to do with why work does not come your way than the ill effects of producing spec work
- republik80
You will never "stamp" it out, and besides the creative freedom that often comes with such projects is welcomed.
- northern0
There are always going to be clients that ask for spec work and designers/agencies that will produce it. It's just a matter of deciding if the investment is worth the prize.
- chz0
dirtydesign, do you enjoy spec work?
Yes the Monson designs were done on spec many years ago, and yes I have done spec work in the past... I'm sure we all have at one point or another. The Monson designs were my turning point as I was promised more than I got, it wasn't worth the time I invested.
Will I do spec work again?... no. If you don't support the idea that's cool... go about doing more spec work and cheapen yourself even more.
I should have known a legitimate cause would get shit on here.
- lvl_130
hear hear v4. a man of many wise words
- horton0
re contests (which is just like spec x1000 imho):
http://www.andyrutledge.com/rede…
Yes, it’s very definitely a joke on all involved. The problem is that the joke is also on the design profession as a whole. Every time one of these competitions is held, it tears a little more at the fabric of our profession. Every designer who participates in one of these competitions steals a bit more credibility from the true professionals in this industry.
The term “design whore” is not even applicable to the image that is thus created. Whores are professional and whores get paid. What do you call someone who doesn’t even have the self respect to expect or demand payment?
A designer? Say it ain't so.via here:
http://www.designers-who-blog.co…nice to at least see lots of discussion against this stuff.
- horton0
hear hear v4. a man of many wise words
lvl_13
(Aug 25 06, 13:57)hmmm i dunno about that.
- skelly0
getting paid = fun
working for free = not fun
- version30
hear hear v4. a man of many wise words
lvl_13
(Aug 25 06, 13:57)hmmm i dunno about that.
horton
(Aug 25 06, 14:11)how about a few wise words? can I at least get that ;)