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- jevad0
Both are owned by Murdoch
- kingjulien0
Cheers to vespa and Cactus for the engaging conversation, and for demonstrating civility on an issue that is quite controversial.
If you're interested in this stuff, I found the following article extremely well-written.
- harlequino0
Not sure where I stand with everything he was saying in this particular interview, I watched half and turned it off because I hadn't had any coffee yet. But I do like this Galloway fellow, from the other things I've seen/read about him. I think he is spot on in terms of the state of global capalistic trade systems, whom it benefits and hurts. And he's not afraid to stick the point right up someone's ass. Fun!
He is exactly the kind of cat we need her in the US. A total gonzo, eloquent, loud as fuck leftist to scream at these fat oil and fundamentalist right-wing freaks.
- Cactus0
...many black people have a neurosis with regards their skin colour...
They also have a neurosis about staying alive...
http://www.darfurgenocide.org/
hence the pale camouflage.
- Bottlerocket0
I think they refer to 'western values' in the broaded sense, ostensibly meaning proportional representationl, the seperation of church, state and the law, etc
- vespa0
Hi Cactus, i disagree with Kuz that "there's no debate". Debating helps me to understand things for myself, and you are all really helping me here, which i value a great deal.
Re: the accuracy of Honest Reporting's site being affected by it's ties to Aish HaTorah, the Orthodox Jewish outreach organization, i dispute the article's opening statement:
"The co-existence of Jewish and Arab citizens of Israel has long been a model for the potential for democratic pluralism to take root in the Mideast. But rather than publicize this encouraging fact, the major media outlets have repeatedly distorted the status of Israel's Arab community."
I dispute the statement above, citing the Amnesty International report I linked in my earlier post about 14 May's Israeli High Court ruling. This report provides evidence that Israeli Arabs are victims of institutionalised racial discrimination. The Honest Reporting article doesn't acknowledge this reality, which makes me think they are biased.
I agree with you that it is important to consider content on a fact by fact basis, to read between the lines and to read widely in order to understand historical context.
I wholeheartedly agree that human rights abuses elsewhere in the middle east, not only Israel, are disturbing.
However, the two links you provided, worrying as they are, do not qualify in my mind as institutionalised racism, that is, government policy upheld by state law.
Furthermore, Israel's planned invasion of Lebanon in the next few days disturbs me a great deal, not least because British arms will be used to kill yet more Lebanese civilians. I can't understand why the British and US govts are still blocking UN calls for an immediate ceasefire.
Thank you for your time in continuing this discussion.
- vespa0
I think the newsreader stood her ground fairly well though considering!
Engage
(Aug 8 06, 05:27)i think Sky and other murdoch enterprises deliberately pit Galloway against female presenters to make him seem more belligerent. i mean he is, but if it was a male newreader you wouldn't feel so protective.
- TheBlueOne0
i think Sky and other murdoch enterprises deliberately pit Galloway against female presenters to make him seem more belligerent. i mean he is, but if it was a male newreader you wouldn't feel so protective.
vespa
(Aug 8 06, 06:16)
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And she was a real bitch too..:)
- Engage0
yeah, i just wanted to cuddle her...
HAHAAHAH
- rasko40
I saw some pics the other day of these 12 year old Israeli girls signing missiles 'from Israel with love'
kinda summed things up.
- Crouwel0
I saw some pics the other day of these 12 year old Israeli girls signing missiles 'from Israel with love'
kinda summed things up.
rasko4
(Aug 8 06, 06:19)12 year old girls that send a love message to a kid that cannot even read it before he/she gets blown to pieces..
fuck, my stomach turns when i think of this..
- vespa0
i wonder if the missile was british or american? my stomach turns too.
- kelpie0
they would do, the implication from netanhayu was more on the honesty, fairness, equality, enlightnment tip in the interview I watched, which was what got my goat. Also his continual comparison between Isreali bombing of Lebanon and British bombing of Germany during WWII pissed me off somewhat too - that it was so easy for him to take two contextualy very different situations at their most simple reading and use it as justification for innocent deaths. "You guys are just like us, not like them, support us, not them" very unsettling I found it.
- lowimpakt0
developed with your taxes
- KuzII0
Nutter-yahoo has been beating that drum since the start of this conflict. Talking about the moral acceptibility of the bombing of Dresden. "You British did this in WWII" "You British did that in WWII".
- unfittoprint0
western values 101
#1 de-humanization
"Democratic governments sometimes present "enemy" civilians or soldiers as less than human so that voters will be more likely to support a war they may otherwise consider mass murder."
- Cactus0
what do you mean by that cactus?
I've just written to my MP asking why our govt is making money out of the conflict - last year British arms exports to Israel doubled from 2004 to upwards of £25 million.
If Blair won't call for an immediate ceasefire, then our government MUST comply with it's own arms export rules and IMMEDIATELY suspend all UK arms exports to Israel.
Write to your MP here:
www.writetothem.com
vespa
(Aug 8 06, 05:46)Here we go again!
I can only implore you read up on this scumbag and what he stands for and who he associates with.
Political naiveté is no excuse.
- KuzII0
how the fuck is he helping you? you haven't agreed with one thing he's said.
Oh and you don't wanna listen to what Amnesty international says. They're an anti-Semitic organisation hell bent on destroying the state of Israel. I'll post the NGO-Monitor link before Cactus does:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NGO…
http://www.ngo-monitor.org/ngo-m…see? they're all in on it.
- lowimpakt0
rather than us searching can you bring some articles to us.
he's shifty.
- vespa0
it is extremely unsettling kelpie.
i can't understand why they still haven't called for an immediate ceasefire. 1200 civilians killed.
i'm going to that protest outside Downing St tonight. i'll take photos.