pixel pushing protocol?
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- imadesigner
after a html developer has built your web page using the PSD layout you gave him, is it rude to sit with and ask him to move that text over 4 pixels, reduce that gap by 10 pixels etc. (bearing in mind it doesn't follow exactly how the PSD layout looked)?
Or do you trust that the developer has done the best they can and send it to the client?
- rasko40
not if it makes a difference.
- version30
you should have coded your own html css and this wouldn't be an issue. if all you can do is make a psd, you are in no position imo.
i get work because i provide the code for the cms to be built into, not just an image comp
- nocomply0
This happened a lot at my old work. The developer is probably gonna think you're a prick, but designers are pretty anal and also perfectionists so i can understand where you're coming from.
i would probably say something like "hey next time can you follow the spacing exactly like it is in the PSD. i made it that way for a reason."
- Rand0
yes, Version4 feels that since you don't code your own html css you never should have accepted this paying job
- mrdobolina0
it's his job, it isn't rude to make things work the way they were intended.
- MyNameIsPhil0
If its not following the way it was laid out then you should ask for the changes. However if your just having a developer just move stuff around b/c you didn't know how it would look until it was online then... that sucks.
- version30
and designers who can't code their own damn html can lick my balls. ps comp my ass. if i could just dish out psd's all day i'd still be a blatently retarded pothead.
enobrev
(Jun 8 06, 12:26)i make it then i code it then i send it to someone for cms database structure
i too would love to be a photoshop monkey
version4
(Jun 8 06, 12:59)
- Seanbot0
coming from the developer in me:
if it's basic padding/margin issues, by all means ask for a change. it shouldn't be a problem if the developer is worth anything.
though if it's because your unsure of how things have turned out w/ your design once it hits the "real world" it's your problem, not theres, but i'm sure you can put some heads together and come out with a compromise.
- monNom0
if it's posible to have it look identical as a website then it should... no font changes, off-margins etc.
though, i can't be assed to follow around our developers and be nitpicky... if it's not way off, or how they've done it isn't harming anything, i just let it go.
- skelly0
he already said only if it doesn't match the PSD. if someone can't code a page to match a PSD, then yeah, you should tell them to change it.
- nosaj0
you should have coded your own html css and this wouldn't be an issue. if all you can do is make a psd, you are in no position imo.
version4
----------------------You are so wrong.
- dijitaq0
learn to code. at least, be able to make a working html mock-up. it's gonna be much easier for you and your programmer.
- chimchim0
imadesigner
make him fix things... but next time be clear about expectations for the psd->html (pixel perfect)
dijitaq
there isn't really much difference in learning to code or making a working mock-up... I don't see a point in a designer half-assing a html template and sloppy css hackfest.
version4
What part of web "designer" says - must be excellent html/css front end developer. None. Why should someone at a creative director level have to code html? Let them do what they do best...design.
- version30
you should have coded your own html css and this wouldn't be an issue. if all you can do is make a psd, you are in no position imo.
version4
-------------------- --You are so wrong.
nosaj
(Jun 29 06, 18:40)------
that's your opinion. but if he and i were up for a job against one another, i can't help but think the fact I can provide css and html in addition to my design, would be a deciding factor in my favor
i'd rather have skills than excuses
- dijitaq0
what version 4 said
- mtgentry0
some places won't let you create your own code. The agencies I've worked for usually seperate the designers from the coders so everyone knows their role.
- kelpie0
no. you get what you designed. If the developer really can't do something (which happens) then they'll tell you and its no bother. Loose scrappy layout issues are inexcusable and hugely annoying.
- kelpie0
you should have coded your own html css and this wouldn't be an issue. if all you can do is make a psd, you are in no position imo.
version4
-------------------- --You are so wrong.
nosaj
(Jun 29 06, 18:40)------
that's your opinion. but if he and i were up for a job against one another, i can't help but think the fact I can provide css and html in addition to my design, would be a deciding factor in my favor
i'd rather have skills than excuses
version4
(Jun 29 06, 20:27)you can be such an arrogant cock.
Maybe the agencies and jobs you've gone for are in those kinds of places and your css skills are needed and appreciated. applause for you maestro. In plenty of agencies the two disciplines are split for perfectly practical reasons, in my day jod, for example, being a good html guy is irrelevent at the sharp end of production and only really useful because I can liaise better with the development team.
don't be such a judgemental cunt.
- rafalski0
As a coder, I try to follow the layout as much as possible, unless I know the designer doesn't care/mind and I'm sure it'd look better my way. I'd be anal as a designer if a coder moved my pixels around though.
- Engage0
Just because they are a coder doesn't mean they are purely involved in how something operates, but how it looks... its different if they are just say a database designer or something... If its not how the comps look then I think you have a case for getting changing made... If however your comps are unrealistic... i.e not using the correct typefaces, or spacing your verdana etc as it is rendered online... then he should probably either tell you to bugger off, or you should of had the conversation much earlier on.