RACISM Orleans
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- pavlovs_dog0
fuck that city.
fact is, it's dying... the land will contine to sink and the salt marshes will continue to receed.
the fed's will have to pump hundereds of billions into new 18 to 20' leveys and pumps to keep the water out for the next hundered years... and it will still be a loosing battle in the long run.
new orleans was a grand culture of the past... it devolved into a giant ghetto with a yearly frat boy blow out.
sorry, but that aint worth hundreds of billions to replace...
and fuck that mayor. ...still looking for scapegoats for his own failures... he's as guilty as any fema lackey.
- Jaline0
It's not that I don't think people should have opinions about these matters, but to get so upset when some random stranger on a graphic designer message board says something that you construe as racist is nothing short of retarded.
The New Orleans issues, and the discussion of race and class in this country, are far more complex than many of you give it credit to be.
TheTick I know you think you're some kind of social theorist and/or intellectual, but you're trying way too hard to be deep and profound. Just because you've read a few books and listen to NPR doesn't make you have all the answers. You're entitled to your opinions, as is everybody else, but you come across as all-knowing - like everything is so simple and clear and how come the rest of us don't see it like that, and personally I think you're a tool because of that, and many other reasons.
kingjulien
(Jan 17 06, 10:33)I agree. Some of the people here don't tend to read up on subjects on their own, and therefore they don't really see all sides of the story (which are all going to be skewed anyway). Not saying everyone, but there are definitely ppl like that here. And everywhere.
- TheTick0
"The debt this country owes culturally to New Orleans is immense. New Orleans is the US version of Bahia in Brazil - one of the only sort of free black cities in an otherwise slave country."
You've been watching waay to much TV.
Question
(Jan 17 06, 06:34)
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No, maybe you should read a book, travel to New Orleans, Bahia Brazil and Angola and you tell me what you think. I don't watch TV, I live in the real world.
- mrdobolina0
pavlov, the same thing could be said about nyc. it is sinking, the groundwater is all becoming salt water etc...
- JazX0
don't forget the Netherlands
- todelete__20
and fuck that mayor. ...still looking for scapegoats for his own failures... he's as guilty as any fema lackey.
pavlovs_dog
(Jan 17 06, 08:40)x 2
- Question0
pavlov, the same thing could be said about nyc. it is sinking, the groundwater is all becoming salt water etc...
mrdobolina
(Jan 17 06, 08:42)mrdobolina New York brings a lot of money into this country. New orleans does not. Too peak interest into New orleans there has to be some development that brings the rich people who you hate into the state to spend. Thus creating businesses and jobs = future.
- JazX0
ohhhhhhhhhh come on fella's.
USA will rebuild that place and it will be fine. stop making it something it isn't. not much you can do about a massive hurricane.
- uberdesigner0
get him hooked on phonics
- radar0
100 chocolates
- Rand0
I've ganed new clarity on this and other issues
- JazX0
100 chocolates
radar
(Jan 17 06, 08:45)HAHAH that was a good one
- todelete__20
Oh man. My last post was 'wrong thread'
That was supposed to go into the Cupcakes thread.
haha.
- Question0
"No, maybe you should read a book, travel to New Orleans, Bahia Brazil and Angola and you tell me what you think. I don't watch TV, I live in the real world."
riiiight.
- PolaroidMan0
i usually remain silent in these types of discussions because they are pointless for the most part. Everyone is just trying to make THEIR respective points with closed ears to the points of others. I am a new orleans native, but have been living away from the city for the past 8/9 years. My mom and my entire family were affected by the hurricane, most of them lost their homes and most of them have lost their jobs. anyway... none of my family lived in the 9th ward. They lived in the new orleans East (if any of you are familiar with that area) and the rest of them live Uptown (3rd ward, 17th ward etc..). While i agree, with whoever said that its a matter of doing what can and cant be done in terms of destroying the 9th ward and rebuilding uptown, i also have to humbly submit that when i went back with my mom sis and grandmother a week before christmas to assess the damage...in the "nice" areas like St. Charles Ave and the Carrolton area, it appeared that everything was back to normal...but if you go a few blocks over in each of these areas..(where there are nice homes, but predominately black neighborhoods) the electricity would still be off for blocks and the trash was still heaped in the streets. Now my little sister went to Ursuline academy which is a predominateley white school, with a few minorites there. She has been in touch with her white friends as well as her black friends and one arab family that she knows. Most of the students are back in new orleans living in their homes and ready for the school to reopen sometime this month, and the students whose families have not been able to return are mainly the black families. Now, these black families werent poor families living off of welfare and in public housing....they are the middle class blacks and some a little below middle, but a bit above the poverty line, who had decent jobs, nice homes etc. They are being told that the areas they lived in are not ready to be returned to yet. (not 9th ward and so on). The even not so damaged areas are still being worked on in a discriminative way. Now i know kOna or jazX might jump down my throat with the "im sick of the race card rhetoric" stick, but all here who KNOW new orleans, and whose experience there is more than a weekend on burbon street that was restricted to a streetcar ride, the french quarter and a stroll up canal, or magazine streets, will bear witness that there is a HUGE racial divide there and that katrina just exposed a lot of what has been present there since before i was born. Now on the other hand...yes, there was a large element of black people living on welfare and in public housing and so on. i dont run from that fact. I believe that this is an oppurtunity for them(us) to start fresh with a clean slate and change the quality of their/our lives for the better.
sorry for the lenghty post guys.
- unfittoprint0
actually
Tick's comment regarding Bahia were quite accurate.
Bahia is so much more__ but that's another [long] story.
listen to its prodigal son:
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.d…
- todelete__20
ok thetick. how about if an earthquake leveled helena montana. 94.8% white, and the major of helena held a press conference and said helena would be a milk city.
would you still be telling me to read a book about the history of this city, or would you use common sense and see this for what it is? just asking.
- mrdobolina0
yeah Question, New Orleans isn't a major port for goods and petroleum in the United States. You're right.
Have you ever been poor, Question?