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- JazX0
33 here!
Larry Bird
- flagellum0
35.
So respect your elder.
- flagellum0
I'd like to read his exact words, mimio. And there is a difference between saying the designer can be falsified and intelligent design and specificity can be falsified.
- mrdobolina0
I am 33, by the way.
- mrdobolina0
how old are you?
- Mimio0
He said in his recent testimony that an intelligent designer is not falisifiable.
- flagellum0
I've been born again for a very long time, mrdobs. I've only been familiar with ID for a couple of years.
- flagellum0
more on the flagellum and co-option canards...
- mrdobolina0
answer the question.
- flagellum0
Show me where Behe disagrees, mimio? And what specific aspect of ID science does he say is unfalsifiable?
- flagellum0
The core of the flagellum is Irreducibly Complex meaning it could not have been produced by Gradualism. In fact, NS would have prevented it because it doesn't see into the future to build a molecular machine, it would erradicate the components it didn't need. And with IC machines all parts are required simultaneously for it to function. All at once, or nothing at all. Pointing to homology of components as in the Type III transport system, only demonstrates design economy, it doesn't provide a Darwinian pathway of how the machine is built.
Don't get your "science" from the decidedly anti-ID, Wikipedia. ;)
- Mimio0
They need to get their theory/model straight. That's a really fundamental disagreement.
- mrdobolina0
Discipler, I have asked you this before and you never answered.
Were you interested in ID before you were born-again?
- flagellum0
yes, Behe does. He is one of many ID proponents who believes in Common Ancestry. But he believes that NS + RM was insufficient and that a guiding intelligence was required.
There are as many ID proponents who reject Common Ancestry as well, like Bill Dembsky.
- flagellum0
um, no Kuz. They are trying to tell you that homology of components and co-option can evolve the flagellum. This has been shown completely false, many times. Like here:
http://www.arn.org/docs/behe/mb_…
and here:
http://www.trueorigin.org/behe05…
and here:
- KuzIII0
Behe also says he agrees with the general theory of evolution from species to species.
- Mimio0
Behe disagrees with you Discipler, he's said ID isn't falsifiable.
- mrdobolina0
Discipler, what if dna can be reduced to even a lower state?
what if dna is the designer?
- KuzIII0
the evolution of the flagella
- pavlovs_dog0
For pavlov:
For the 80th time. :)
flagellum
(Jan 6 06, 06:18)you got the wool tight over your eyes!
...still all negatives. this can't happen, that can't happen, the other thing can't happen...
list one postive testable calim agaisnt the MILLIONS of science! just one! and you can't!
...and let us not forget,
slaves were just like family!