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- JazX0
my point is that we never, ever say to the other side, "hey you have a good point" these days and there is something not good about that in my eye.
have to reboot
- todelete__20
quick question to all of you:
why don't you stick to one thread for once. ie...
Intelligent design-648
Darwinist-469and many more with a couple hundred posts...
can you please... for me... and your god or no god... stick to one thread so i can see one hit 1000 posts. please?
i think that would be damn cool.
thank you.
- TheTick0
you guys are too polarized. more understanding and less hating.
JazX
(Jan 6 06, 11:05)
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JazX, we'll have to disagree on this one. I am of the opinion that the Enlightenment - and the philosophies and approaches derived from it - ar emankinds great hope from rescuing itself from the self-delusional mess it is usually prone too.People take the Enlightenment - democracy, science, free markets - etc. for granted as if they'll last forever. On the contrary I believe they are an incredibly tenuous adventure, and the weight of human civilization wrapped in mythology and priestly rulers utilizing myths to dominate other sections of mankind and limit creative, critical thinking and yes freedom is more our normal mode of expression.
I happen to like modern enlightenment based civilization and would like to keep it away from those that wish to drag us back to the past, darkly through that mirror.
I don't know anything about Discipler, but his argument and where he is coming from is diametrically opposed to where I am and what I believe. Don't mistake passionate defense of the Enlightenment for hatred.
- Mimio0
So what?, the cornerstone of his criticism is in that "research" and in that book, which was produced completely outside any scientific community.
The point is more than valid because you mention IC in most of your reponses.
- flagellum0
hehe, i love how you keep pasting that link, pavlov. If you had actually read the articles I linked, you would have an understanding of how things worked with slavery in the OT.
And no, I'm not going to get into another unproductive discussion about that with you.
- flagellum0
mimio, Michael Behe has published over 40 peer-reviewed treatments.
But, another good example of ignoring all the other examples and focusing one. ;)
- Mimio0
You quote Behe's work (Darwin's Black Box) quite regulary discipler. FACT: DBB the book and research are not peer-reviewed.
Sorry dood, stick to the facts.
- JazX0
you guys are too polarized. more understanding and less hating.
- flagellum0
Nice try, mimio. Here are your peer reviewed treatments:
http://www.discovery.org/scripts…
But, you just keep a' wishin'. ;)
- balboa0
"black hole of hot air"
while a paradox, it's worth correcting the grammar there...
:)
- Mimio0
Facts? you mean opinions based on non-peer reviewed research, conglomerated within fringe non-scientific politcally motivated organizations?
cuz you might be right.
- balboa0
No need to sling mud at anything. We're just going to wander off to a more interesting corner of the intarweb. This one's imploded in a black hole of under hot air, ego whoring and bloated puffery.
:P
- pavlovs_dog0
no?
- flagellum0
Yes!
"We can't counter his facts about the science, so rather than be intellectually honest about the evidence... let's just sling mud! It's more fun anyways!"
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- pavlovs_dog0
" At this point, other than flexing some seriously impressive expository muscles, aren't we just honing his debate skills? "
hear, hear!
its time to engage the flaggelate in a campaign of mockery.
- flagellum0
I love that cartoon, Tick! It demonstrates exactly what ID'ists believe. Namely, that you only get adaptation within a species. Ever seen bacteria become something other than bacteria? Exactly. ;) Nobody doubts microevolution.
Silly Doonsbury cartoonist. He should have done his homework first.
- balboa0
haha
"peddler of quackery"
...like a duck on a bike?
The funny thing would be if we all shut up, and he kept posting. Like, we all left the room during the conference call, and the drone just went on and on and on -
and on
and on
:)
- flagellum0
hehe, Tick. You've succeeded in dodging the actual hard science again and simply quoting and linking old data which you haven't done any comparative study about.
Enjoy the spoils of... emm... victory!