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- vespa0
haha yea it can make you cry and your breath stink but tastes great in just about anything
- kelpie0
it's also full of great bars and clubs and an enviably rich cultural and architectural history, and has been under re-development for some time had a lot of money spent on it. As with most of these re-developments though a large section of the population has had there troubles and lifestyles swept under the carpet cos it's easier to build posh riverside housing at 300K plus than address serious post-industrial social problems and make everyones lifes easier.
sorry Gorbie, this is a touchy subject perhaps, over-reacted did I, peace bruv :)
- stem0
vespa - I see London as an extension of Heathrow!
I remember reading an article in Blueprint years ago (I think it was by Richard Rogers) explaining how Airports are the true postmodern cities. He was talking about how they are able to adapt rapidly to changing situations etc.
Maybe this will be the future. Doncaster has changed rapidly since the Airport 'project' has been underway.
- Gorbie0
:^)
thanks vespa. that's what i was hoping to get out of this.
- stem0
The development of Manchester too, appears to have gone hand in hand with the introduction of the second runway.
- dijitaq0
born in canberra, australia lived there for 2 years. moved to jakarta, indonesia stayed for 7. moved to ames, iowa lived there for 7 more. now currently residing in jakarta again.
jakarta is crowded, polluted. shitty public transportation. the streets are filled to the max with motorcycles, cars , buses and people selling stuff. hot, humid (which inteferes with my asthma problem) and when it's not hot it's raining which slows up traffic real bad. hardly any public parks and the existing ones are filled with homeless people or criminals or both.
- paraselene0
london is exactly as our fair vespa has so eloquently stated. sometimes i really miss new york, but i don't think i could bring myself to leave london yet. maybe never. it's properly grubby but there's nothing like the feeling of hope and possibility that you get watching the sun rise from the top of a double decker bus going over london bridge after dancing all night in the city that invented clubbing. i still don't think i've met anyone apart from soda who's actually from this town. it's brilliant.
- Gorbie0
is that your real opion of jakarta?
sounds like a shithole.
- Gorbie0
Manchester is a place i seem to read about a lot out here in the states.
seems like they have a lot of very progressive attitudes in architecture and urban infill.
- stem0
What about you Gorbie, Moskow looks like a fascinating place.
The place looks amazing, but I've heard about all the gangs and 'organised' crime - what's the deal?
- shaft0
Wroclaw, a German city handed over to Poland after WW2. This means people here are not linked with the city's history deeper than 60 years. I guess this differentiates us from the rest of the country and I like it.
Plenty of pics, a lot of pre WW2:
http://wroclaw.hydral.com.pl/tes…
This week's big party:
http://www.wroclawnonstop.pl/en/…
Mo'Horizons are playing for free in the market square tonight!But as I said before, I couldn't leave my heart in SF because it already was in Barcelona for years.
It's big, beautiful, ugly, dirty, stinky and it's best feature is the beach, where people sit in the evenings and detach themselves from the day. A wonderful way to vent.
http://komercja.com/bcn/ - last summer, I'm afraid I won't be there this year
- stem0
Manchester is a place i seem to read about a lot out here in the states.
seems like they have a lot of very progressive attitudes in architecture and urban infill.
Gorbie
(Jul 1 05, 03:24)Hahaha! - I think that answers my question!!!
- Gorbie0
haha stem..
i'm a dipshit american kid living in the capitol city of California... Sacramento.
"organized crime" means crack dealers in Oak Park or the politicians jerkin off in their offices.
population of about 2.5 million. small-town vibe. constant inferiority complex with san francisco and the bay area (where i grew up). very mellow, unpretentious city with good bands and shitty dive bars.
it's about 70ºF out right now and it's 3:43am.
:^)
- CaP0
oh yeah... london is definitely one of the cities that i am irrationally attracted to.
it's been 2 years since i went there, i'm dying to see some cloudy skies with a small blue patch and look around and hear people saying "what a lovely day" is...
vespa, loved your description btw.
- vespa0
god yea para, the sky, when you actually get to see it, can be sooooo incredible. turner paintings every night/morning with all the pollution diffusing everything into a gorgeous softboxed technicolour extravaganza.
last night i was rehearsing in the shittiest end of acton, rehearsals started at 9.30pm and as my bus turned round the corner into an enormous
ASDA carpark the sky revealed itself, fluorescent pink turner clouds, flocks of birds wheeling around in the sky, i had to put down my amp, guitar and keyboard and would have appreciated the moment for ages if i hadn't been such an obvious target for a mugging.
- paraselene0
lol! yeah, this place has an amazing aesthetic quality built into the air. even when it's bad, it's good! this winter i was walking near southwark cathedral in the drizzle and fog, thinking about all of the diabolical people who had tread my same steps. as i passed the golden hind and nodded to the ghost of sir francis himself, i looked up at st. paul's, shrouded in mist and properly dickensian and thought, 'fuck me, conrad, you were so spot on! this, too, has been one of the dark places of the earth.' strangely enough, the city of which london most often reminds me is havana, with all it's pulsating jungle sex frenzy threatening to burst up through the concrete. these polar opposites are more alike than you'd think; the birthplace of marxism and her deathbed, the madly beating heart of capitalism and the last bastion of opposition to it...
- Gorbie0
i think you and vespa should write a book on your home.
seriously.
- paraselene0
ha! whaddya say, vee? nah, i reckon we think a lot about it cos we're foreigners or maybe because we think a lot about things in general.
- CaP0
i don't know why i always picture cities as women... barcelona seems to me like this young playful loving mother who hugs you and welcomes you just becouse you are there, whilst london seems this appearently middle-aged mum, who seems very strict but is just a bottomless pit of wisdom and mistery... although i haven't lived in london, so i'm just figuring that out from close friend's experiences...