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- blaw0
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*get it, it's inverted... ha!
- Mimio0
Yars,
It's a necessary invention for xtians to sell salvation to the unbelievers by threatening them with unrelenting punishemnt for their apparent lack of faith or disbelief.
- yarsrevenge0
Oh, right. Thanks Discipler. I forgot the Old Testament (the majority of the bible)
TheTick
(Jun 9 05, 11:27)
----------------------------Who said anything about Jews? and since when did the old testament become bigger than the new testament?
- JazX0
blaw, enough of this churchie stuff, back to badboyism, start the FMT.... shhhhhhhhh don't tell jevad. it's for 06.10.06
- discipler0
Mimio, Jesus spoke more about Hell than he did heaven. It's replete throughout the manuscripts that comprise the New Testament. If you choose to believe it's some later invention used for behavior control, that's your choice, but history and Textual Criticism would point otherwise.
- kld0
please don't turn this into a bashing thread...
jevad
(Jun 9 05, 10:02)love thy neighbor y'all,
- yarsrevenge0
Mimio... the truth is... nobody really knows what hell is other than it metaphorical references in the bible. We only know it as being a place without the existence of God which is love.
- TheTick0
"Yars: since when did the old testament become bigger than the new testament?"
Gee, I'm talking pure page and word count brother. Old Testament trumps new testament hands down.
- uberdesigner0
discipler, piss off you troll
- TheTick0
Yars - here's what Discipler said:
"ancient Old Covenant ceremonial laws that were specific to how God let the somewhat primitive and brutish Hebrew culture revel in their way"
Hebrew culture? Gee that sounds like "Jew" to me. So who said anything about the jews? Discipler. They were brutish and primitive.
- yarsrevenge0
as I tick
- discipler0
that's true, yars. Jesus used references to "Gehenna" in the Greek. Which was a huge trash dump outside of Jerusalem where refuse was burned. I believe he was pointing to a literal place in their culture to emphasize the metaphysical reality of Hell and the anguish of what one could have known in eternity.
- yarsrevenge0
So are you saying that- that was not part of their culture? I'm confused now.
Are you jewish btw?
- JazX0
easy easy uberdesigner, he can say what he wants man. :)
- yarsrevenge0
just curious
- Mimio0
Yars,
Here's what really matters...what the vast majority of xtians believe and what they believe the Bible says about it. Most pseudo-academic apologetic xtian crap is completely irrelvent to the actual living religion of xtianity.
- discipler0
Tick, you're an excellent example of how not to read the Bible - ripping passages out of context and arriving at error. It's nothing new, people have been doing it for centuries. Go and take some time to actually study Levitical and Ceremonial Law and the Old Covenant. Take some time to study how God chose to let the rebellious ancient Isrealites live. Take some time to study the how the Old Covenant was fulfilled in Christ. Then, maybe, we could have an intelligent discussion about these things.
Alas, you're just a hateful flame thrower though.
- cosmo0
why r we all arguing over religion, no one is going to change their views.
Just help nic.
- yarsrevenge0
mimio... ain't that a daisy?... so many false prophets everywhere... it's a shame... i totally agree.
- discipler0
Yars,
Here's what really matters...what the vast majority of xtians believe and what they believe the Bible says about it.
(Jun 9 05, 11:40)
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That much is true, Yars. And what you'll find that they believe is that it's a far cry from the misrepresentations that dominate here.