Creativity/Madness link
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- zombiewoof
General topic for discussion. The link between madness and creativity exists. Be it art, science, whatever...i wrestle everyday to not burst out laughing (or crying) at what the everyday man (or woman) cannot seem to grasp. Is it just me, or do any of you feel you walk the thin line of sanity just to stay a part of acceptible society?
Perhaps it is what makes us as a community, unique.
This is NOT a cry for help, it's just the only forum where such a topic could be discussed honestly.
Peace to all NT'ers...
- taragee0
im pretty sure thhere r ppl who think im coocoo in teh coconut
- mayo0
Lord knows my brain worries a few people
- fawn0
i used to be a lot more creative and crazy, but i had to get "a real job" to survive. i know i stand out in any job i have held, i am always known as the "funky" "strange" or "different" one which i dont mind. but i am sad i lost the side of me that is a real artist. i need to bring her back.
- zombiewoof0
That's the hardest part. To survive, we need to conform to sit in those freakin meetings..to handhold people unfamiliar with the concept of a right click... geeze lousie...there is just very little room for a functioning surrealist these days...
- fawn0
totally zombie, i am waiting for the point in my life where i just go insane because i don't create much any more. making art used to be the most important thing in my life and somehow it just isn't as prelevant anymore, over the years i have less time and energy. i know i am going to snap one day and go totally insane. i bet every artist feels the same way if they don't create
we are all insane!!!
:P
- GreedoLives0
if you've ever had a truly psychotic person in your family or circle of friends, you'd throw the term 'crazy' around a bit more carefullly.
being depressed and bored does not equal 'crazy'.
- zombiewoof0
But what if its the other way around. I mean what if we create because we are bent. Not we create to keep from being bent...damn..this is starting to sound...kinda..crazy...
is it a cart/horse thing... are creatives/scientists genetically predisposed to do this work?
I'll just have a beer and stop pondering so much.
- exador10
my oldest buddy went crazy.
without a doubt the most incredible artist i've ever known..
kid had the midas touch..
everything he did was a work of genius.art?
became probably the best artist in our school growing up....certainly the most inventive/creative..music?
decided in highschool to learn the guitar around the same time as i did..
by the time i had mastered 'crazy train' s opening lick, he could play 'flight of the bumble bee' (yep..the superfast classical song) NOTE FOR NOTE perfect...
he could also play the theme song from charlie brown...the one that starts with that base line, and has that doo do doo do do do do doooo doo....
he could play BOTH parts with two hands..one doing the base line, the other finger tapping the harmony doo doo part..writing?
best young creative writer in school...
turned me on to franz kaffka back in 10th grade..
he'd allready been in to him for sometime, and thought i'd dig it..
now, who the fuck knows about franz fucking kaffka at that age?anyhow, he came up to toronto around the same time as me to go to college, but kind of lost his mind somewhere...
started not going to class, smoked a bit too much weed, started being odd...
(he always was a very sensitive type guy..)
then he just kinda dropped out of life alltogether..
my mom told me later that he'd ended up in the psycho ward of our hometown hospital for the whole summer..
i came back for a visit, and had him over to our house out in the country..
and he was different..
something broke.his sense of humour was still intact tho..
told me he was in there with a guy that said he was rommel...the nazi general...
later, the guy decided he was David lee roth..
when my friend asked him to sing a bit to prove it, he said 'no'..
'you just have to take it on faith'...;)
thought that was pretty cute.anyhow, he was and will always remain the single most inspired artist i've ever and will ever know..
its just a shame he couldn't emotionally handle life.
- zombiewoof0
I'm not throwing the term crazy around, mr olives. My family is rife with those in treatment. But my question is larger: Are the two linked somehow.
Trust me, this is not idle chatter, it is a true search for answers.
- exador10
and yeah...thanks greedo..
having personally had this guy, my oldest buddy actually 'go crazy' its not the sort of thing you tend to make light of in the same way..
not that i think any of you cats are making light of people having mental breakdowns...but i think there is a world of difference between folks just being kind of weird and creative and or bored, and people actually being institutinalized ....
or something...and yeah..also..
i thnk it is a pretty thin line between creative genius and insantity..
i think the line is called 'being bi-polar' or ' manic depressive
and i have a feeling my buddy was both.
- GreedoLives0
i wasn't really referring to your use of the term 'crazy' mr ewoof.
i thought this had been pretty conclusively documented that creative thought and emotions were both controlled by the right side of the brain, hence when that side of your brain is dominant, you're much more prone to artistic output and emotional disorders. this is also why there's a much larger section of artistically active people that are left-handed.
- version30
crazy is a context word like bitch or nigga.
i'm crazy my friends all know that but when they need me, both feet planted on the ground eyes forward. so i dependable.
my birth mother was crazy mentally, commited suicide without warning while her new husband [not my father] was on vacation. amonth after my birthday
having that happen kinda narowed my wandering path a bit. but her mistakes are not my fault, so i am able to remain upbeat.
it's also nice to know i'll never commit suicide, because i refuse to be as weak as she was.
to sum it up, my mom thought i was nuts but that bitch was actually crazy.
- fawn0
i went crazy once, but luckily i was able to get through it thanks to my family. it was the worst moment of my life, i dont want to ever go through it again. on another hand i use the word crazy in a different way, it's almost like saying "cool" sorry if it offended you
- exador10
zombie..the whole manic depresive thing and the bi polar thing, from what i've seen can be the drive or inspiration of some of the most incredible creative works
the problem is that when it dips into the 'lows'
if youve ever had someone you know in either states you'll see some pretty wacky shit.
during the high part, it's like the clouds open up and absolutely nothing is impossible...and the creativity is so thick it's contagious..and the lows are the absolute pits of despair...
thats why a lot of manic depresives won't use their medication ...
the highs are just too fucking adictive..
they'd rather face the lows, than do without the high.bi polar folks of course, are just on another planet all toghether..
my brothers buddy is bipolar and oh, my gawd..
the weird shit that guy has produced when not on his meds is staggering..
note books full of weird esoteric writing about the universe, how time and space corelate, and how to turn a flashlight into a real working lightsaber.yep.
completely bugfucking nuts.but creative beyond most of our wildest imaginations..
i suppose it's because his imagination has no speedlimit.
- zombiewoof0
No McMeds for me. They suck. Truth be told my, it's not a bored, uninspired thing for me..it's the man in the bubble thing..everyone else is out there doing their happy happy joy joy thing and i am wrapped around the axle over over color or a layout that won't click...maybe i just need a vacation...
back to your regularly scheduled programming..
- Jaline0
the artistic side of me if pretty insane. especially in class when we start to talk about 'what is life?', 'what is love?', 'does anything exist?', 'what is real?'
I think about things too much.
- tconn0
You must chill.
- zombiewoof0
ganj helps. ..i'm out...nuf said.