Design is stupid
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- stormzealot0
i absolutely agree zedvox
- zedvox0
i disgree i do not tink art is any different than design or vice versa.
both are outputted in the world for peopel to interact with.
both are equal.
thank you
- zedvox0
Design is process. exploring ideas, cultires and people that surround us. we must absorb and observe and comment on it.
good? bad? funny? serious? that depends on the situation.
i do agree we do kinda live in a oooh that looks pretty or cool so lets go with the flow.
design is about engaging.
it does not need to be "-design -shall-save theworld" all the time.
it can be fun.
color
type
Design is Everything.
- stormzealot0
But design can be art, don't you see? Art is not just the expression of the individual that's much too simplistic. If I go and write a musicval and then perform in it with dozens of others this is still art, just as in if that same musical was derived of completely impromptu lines. It would still be art.
with Design you have the same thing, the question is. is it meaningful? what impact does it have on the viewer? with my design there's no mistaking the bulk of the message, because I design most of my projects for a faith-based organization, whom lets me express myself as well through it, and thats just it. its the idea for every design that comes from within and truly "expresses oneself"
- johndiggity0
I wouldn't get discouraged Winter. All change comes from within. You can affect change within a community. We live in a world where we have to design mundane things, and I think as designers, only we understand their frivolous nature. The client never likes what we like and so forth. We are different than everyone else. But we all ahve to pay the bills. But that doesn't mean you couldn't contact a good cause and offer your services, or help teach a kid interested in design, or volunteer, or whatever to affect some sort of change. It doesn't really matter the scal on which you cause a change, it's the fact that it happened, and it can cause a reaction larger than you imagine.
- zeroblade0
design is how one delivers the content.
design can be content itself.
designers are contented with paychecks.
de sign is what you de way with.
you can quote me on this. ~: )
- 1977_c0
i think this is our challenge, making it happen otherwise. wisely. about stuff that matters.
oooooh, why was i born to be such a naive bastard!!
winter
(may 27 04, 18:10)
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You're missing the whole picture. People don't want stuff that matters, they want spoon-fed stuff easily forgattable and recyclable. Designers are not like artists, they work for people and what people demand is void ;) You can always express yourself as an artist to "clean up" your designer "dirt"... But then again, anything is art nowadays. So you better not think about it too much or you'll end up like Van Gogh ;D
- winter0
maybe that's it. maybe that i'm just ackward that it's just about clients and that clumsy gymnastics and gettin' some pleasure by the end of the day.
but i still feel that it could be something else, and that all this web-community so-talk is all about selling t-shirts that carry a logo in a clumsy place.
now seriously. that sort of "nice job" talk is okay but is not to the point. the point is that design is more about tech stuff than real stuff and tech stuff is not real stuff. so i get this feeling of working in vain: something that is easily forgotten and comes to naught.
i think this is our challenge, making it happen otherwise. wisely. about stuff that matters.
oooooh, why was i born to be such a naive bastard!!
- johndiggity0
I don't think design is art, or a sub-product, rather I think design is everthing art isn't. Design is science, law, mathematics, politics. Art is expression by an individual. Design should by nature be anonomous, the voice of whatever is being designed should be the only one heard, not the designer's voice. It's about making whatever the target or your actions as a designer useful. But that is the Modernist theory of design, pushing towards some type of utopianism where there is a perfect typeface and everyone uses it to simplify the dissmeniation of the information we are bombarded with on an everyday level. Design has given way to advertising, which in turn has given way to branding, which finds us immeresed in theis corporate culture, where McDonalds, Wal Mart, and Starbucks pervade our everyway of life.
But like I said earlier, we are still making literature for worship, and it is a reflection of our times, whereas in the 1600's it was spreading religion and getting money to the church, nowadays, Starbucks charges $8 for water soaked in beans.
- Recycle0
It's about coercing your audience to receive your message, no?
- 1977_c0
Wow, what do you know... Never thought I'd see José Ortega y Gasset mentioned at NT... ;)
- BonSeff0
design is about controlling your message. how is there a message without content?
- devaur0
Thanks Black
Awesome point Recycle.
- Recycle0
Design is not about content, nor is it about graphics. Design is about solving visual problems.
As the AIGA puts it, "Everything is designed, but is it designed well?"
Design is not about Helvetica, either.
- blackspade0
nice points D.
- devaur0
storm hit it right on!!!
we get paid to do what we love.
- devaur0
look design is a culture. You must live eat and breathe design to grow. If you dont grow you get washed up like most designers.
yes it is for the money. clients dont always want a message in the design. so you have to educate them at a level where they can understand the benefit of design to a mass consumer.
design does need good content.
but if you are working for a company and you have to design something in like 1 day and normally you would need like 4 you get desperate. CORPORATE DESIGN!!
If you want to design with content then you figure it out at home on personal projects.
You cannot sell design content to Sunkist or Microsoft. They just want return on investment
- stormzealot0
design can be different things to different people. to the layman it might mean nothing at all but a nother noun or word, but to others it can mean a whole world of difference.
It's all in perception, to some, sure it could be just a pay check. to those like me, it's much more. I have the opportunity to create art directly inspired by the things that inspire me the most and get paid for it on a consistant basis. For that i count myself lucky.
- winter0
okay :)
my point is: i am observing that people is getting more literate in graphics than real knowledge (on the stuff where all this started). so what's the problem? in my op., the problem is content. design is not about content. it is about graphics. about drawing. the thing is that i browse here and here and i see people saying design is life and lifestyle and that just gets on my nerves. design is about design. design is a sub-product from art. is it mass-culture. i don't like massified concepts. so what's the point in all this effort?
- Recycle0
johndiggity, re: design is not art, wouldn't you agree that design is problem solving combined with art?
A mon avis, most graphic designers consider themselves decorators rather than visual problem-solvers.