Design is stupid
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- winter0
but we are on the wrong route. we are stupidifying everyone on userfriendly stuff, on easy crap. dont' you see? we are the new people and there is nothing coming out of it, except "yer cool stuff". what do you want? a society based on graphics? what is that?
- johndiggity0
Designers adapt material to culture, not culture to material. Designers are not artists.
- fate0
"My 9 to 5 isn't some glorious and deep exploration of life that will benefit all mankind for years to come! I must feel this way because of something else!"
blame blame blame
- canuck0
Designing for an Illiterate society.
- johndiggity0
I said it once today already, hapiness does not come from a job, it comes from within. A job facilitates my way of making a living, it is not who I am or want to be.
- winter0
maybe i'm the one who thought this could be something else. sorry. no more words then. forget about this.
it is me who's just really tired of this adapting thing, of this bending to the "rules" of the game. nevermind. sorry for my post.
- blackspade0
no need to take it back
more interesting thread than a lot of the other shit that is started!!!
- johndiggity0
Yeah, keep on keep'n on.
- Recycle0
johndiggity, re: design is not art, wouldn't you agree that design is problem solving combined with art?
A mon avis, most graphic designers consider themselves decorators rather than visual problem-solvers.
- winter0
okay :)
my point is: i am observing that people is getting more literate in graphics than real knowledge (on the stuff where all this started). so what's the problem? in my op., the problem is content. design is not about content. it is about graphics. about drawing. the thing is that i browse here and here and i see people saying design is life and lifestyle and that just gets on my nerves. design is about design. design is a sub-product from art. is it mass-culture. i don't like massified concepts. so what's the point in all this effort?
- stormzealot0
design can be different things to different people. to the layman it might mean nothing at all but a nother noun or word, but to others it can mean a whole world of difference.
It's all in perception, to some, sure it could be just a pay check. to those like me, it's much more. I have the opportunity to create art directly inspired by the things that inspire me the most and get paid for it on a consistant basis. For that i count myself lucky.
- devaur0
look design is a culture. You must live eat and breathe design to grow. If you dont grow you get washed up like most designers.
yes it is for the money. clients dont always want a message in the design. so you have to educate them at a level where they can understand the benefit of design to a mass consumer.
design does need good content.
but if you are working for a company and you have to design something in like 1 day and normally you would need like 4 you get desperate. CORPORATE DESIGN!!
If you want to design with content then you figure it out at home on personal projects.
You cannot sell design content to Sunkist or Microsoft. They just want return on investment
- devaur0
storm hit it right on!!!
we get paid to do what we love.
- blackspade0
nice points D.
- Recycle0
Design is not about content, nor is it about graphics. Design is about solving visual problems.
As the AIGA puts it, "Everything is designed, but is it designed well?"
Design is not about Helvetica, either.
- devaur0
Thanks Black
Awesome point Recycle.
- BonSeff0
design is about controlling your message. how is there a message without content?
- 1977_c0
Wow, what do you know... Never thought I'd see José Ortega y Gasset mentioned at NT... ;)
- Recycle0
It's about coercing your audience to receive your message, no?
- johndiggity0
I don't think design is art, or a sub-product, rather I think design is everthing art isn't. Design is science, law, mathematics, politics. Art is expression by an individual. Design should by nature be anonomous, the voice of whatever is being designed should be the only one heard, not the designer's voice. It's about making whatever the target or your actions as a designer useful. But that is the Modernist theory of design, pushing towards some type of utopianism where there is a perfect typeface and everyone uses it to simplify the dissmeniation of the information we are bombarded with on an everyday level. Design has given way to advertising, which in turn has given way to branding, which finds us immeresed in theis corporate culture, where McDonalds, Wal Mart, and Starbucks pervade our everyway of life.
But like I said earlier, we are still making literature for worship, and it is a reflection of our times, whereas in the 1600's it was spreading religion and getting money to the church, nowadays, Starbucks charges $8 for water soaked in beans.