Bowling for Mr.Moore
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- blackspade0
lies tho ?
"several important lies or distortions, including the fact that the scene during which Moore receives a gun at a bank was stage"
...ok, so they might have staged the handing over of the gun in the bank for the sake of the doco
but for fucks sake, that doesnt change the fact that the American bank had a newspaper add offering a free gun with every new account does it!?
- blackspade0
"Moore's tendency to stretch and distort the facts"
but we all know who the king of distorted facts and lies is
- johndiggity0
Well then everything's gravy train.
- lowimpakt0
BP. But the point is that MM should be up for as much criticism as anyone else. I have always said he wasn't an critical spokesman (he sees things his way and makes movies about it). There are plenty of critics and experts who I would depend upon for information even with that if it was a case of joining sides (on a balance of lies etc.) I would still be standing beside MM I reckon.
- lowimpakt0
BP = blackspade.
- Bozilla0
hey johndiggity and iDp, seriously guys are you kids or what? Can you read and judge FACTUAL articles and not this crap you posted. EVERYTHING you posted is a bunch of crap cited by individuals that have NOTHING to back it up. When you make claims like all these articles and people who wrote them make, I expect to see some facts not just to take their word for it. Who are these people anyway? No wonder you make stupid conclusions. These sites quote each other and link themselves back and forth. That Chicago Sun Times editor or whatever he is, is also full of crap. Listen what Moore wrote if you haven't read it:
"I am sorry you had to reprint Internet crap in your column today. It is a lie to say anything but the following:
1. I was handed that gun in that bank and walked out with it and have it in my possession to this day. I NEVER had to go to any gun shop. The scene happened just the way you saw it. I'd be happy to send you all the raw footage.
2. The Columbine shooters DID go to the bowling alley that morning. I can supply you with the five witnesses, including their teacher. It's all there in the investigation conducted by the state of Colorado.
I don't understand why, after all these years, you would run stuff that wasn't true. It was hugely disappointing to read it."
and even this editor/writer says in his cinical response:
"I believe Moore was handed the gun right there in the bank, but I am not sure an average customer would have been."
--- his subjective opinion not a fact."Currently, I am being copied on a voluminous correspondence between Moore and Ihnatko, with both sides citing persuasive information, and I confess that I cannot determine objective fact." --- So DON'T PUBLISH unproven facts and do your homework and ask for proof instead of publishing articles that claim things as a fact.
- johndiggity0
bp=Amoco
- johndiggity0
Read the mooreexposed link. it goes through all his published work, his notes, and debunks step by step what was factually incorrect, and backs it up, usually citing his own references and how he twists and turns it. Reading is Fun da mental.
- nodh0
johndiggity = virtu ???!!!
Moore makes you think => Moore is good for you.
- iDp0
Hitler made people think too!
- lowimpakt0
ha ha iDp come on
Bush makes people not think.
where are we going with this....
- zedvox0
Bow to the new Empire= The United States of America.
- Bozilla0
seriously johndiggity..man you gotta understand WHAT is reality and facts and what needs to be questioned? WTF? I mean what are these articles. I read through this bunch of shit on mooreexposed.com and followed each link. 1st link links to another person's personal opinion and btw Moore charges for hist LECTURES not his Anti-bush speeches. 2nd, even if he charged $15k as I read it he gave it to charity. 3rd, second link takes me to a bulleting board with messages posted by anonymous John? WTF? Read how many students ask for transcripts from that LECTURE. There's probably a reason why. 4th, that link about that he asked $30k takes me to some stupid article that has no connection to Moore or anything that they are mentioning.
Seriously, EVERYTHING that I saw links back and forth between some blogs and personal statements without any REAL proof about anything.
On the other hand, every reputable newspaper and magazine praised his movies. Believe me when I tell you these guys take their critiques quite seriously because they can get SUED for not backing their story by FACTS. Not one lawsuit was filed against Mr. Moore and if this bank was so offended they would've done so.
In the end, all these articles don't prove shit and every inteligent person can see through them. I'm not saying you are dumb, I'm just saying you need to learn how to read whether or not information served is a bash or if it's supplied by facts.
- johndiggity0
Moore make you think => about Moore. No More Moore. No More Moore...
- zedvox0
Jus wondering how many people in here think the War in Iraq is justified and that Bush should be re-elected in Nov. and why?
- johndiggity0
Yes.
And Yes.
- iDp0
hahah no I'm just commenting on what nodh said, that Moore makes you think. Well he frequently lies, bending truth whatever. Same as Bush, don't get me wrong. But being a person who makes people think isn't always a good thing for the people listening.
Take Bozilla for example, hes all bent out of shape because MM is turning out to be a dick and hes got all his books and a signed DVD. Yet he wants someone to wheel in some 'actual facts'. What really counts as a source of fact to him might be MM's blog and CNN, who really knows! Boz, do you have factual proof that he donates ALL of his speaking money to charity, or did MM lead you to believe that since he gave away his tax return?
- johndiggity0
seriously Bozilla..man you gotta understand WHAT is reality and facts and what needs to be questioned? WTF? I mean what are these articles? I read through this bunch of shit on mooreexposed.com and looked at how he lies in his books, and I guess student newspapers and articles from Fox news don't count because you don't like them? Because Michael moore makes up fucking interviews that never happened, and how Osama Bin Laden couldn't have pulled off 9/11 ("How could a guy, sitting in a cave in Afghanistan hooked up to dialysis, have directed and overseen the actions of nineteen terrorists for two years ...?"). Seriously, stop the selective reading and dig a little deeper than what your god Michael Moore and Miramax spoon feed you.
- Bozilla0
no iDp..when you post bunch of shit on this board I expect you to bring some credibility to your statements. Whether or not he gave it to charity is totally irrelevant. If I was Mr. Moore, hell I would charge $15k for my lecture. Instead of posting crap like personal opinions and blogs from the same type of people as you are without any actual proof of what they are saying then I have to conclude that you are the one who is spreading lies and half-truths. Please, post some respectful articles and the ones that are backed by FACTS and not this shit.
- zedvox0
johndiggity but you didnt answer why???
do you think the war is justified
and why are you going to vote for bush again?
fankx