Q about flash
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- dconstrukt
hey guys....i was on this marketing site and got into a spat with some dumbass on there about the use of flash.
heres what he wrote initially:
"Thanks for recognising the hassle of Flash.
> Although flash websites are a real pain (at
> least in my opinion) they can be a great way
> for designing an online banner ad.In whose opinion? The banner designer's? The client's? The person who is forced to download it and watch it take valuable computing resources?
While the computing power has increased over time, and while many people have faster connections, there is still no genuine reason for going the memory-hog plug-in route.
I have my plug-ins turned off because I don't want to be forced to download flash and other plug-in stuff just to view a page. The flash is mostly used with ads anyway. So screw that.
WHY do you want to torture your webpage viewers with extra downloads? WHY do you want to opt out of Keep It Simple? Is the viewer better servied with Flash, really? "
so you know I had to come back with something.
my reply:
"In my opinion from your post, I think you have a total misconception of flash.
Its not a hassle, its a fantastic tool when used correctly. Most of the sites you might see are NOT done correctly.
It doesn't take up valuable resources as you mention, I've used flash on a 233 pentium II with ZERO hassles so I doubt you'll experience any issues.
You are missing out on a lot of great things by being closed minded to the "memory hog plug ins". I'm curious where you got that term from and why.
Flash is NOT mostly used for ads. Its used for websites as well.
The trend now is "hybrid" websites.....using flash as well as HTML. The results are spectacular and theres SOLID proof that it works.
I have documentation from various companies."
so this guy gets all bend out of shape now... and posts this:
"In my opinion from your post, I think you
> have a total misconception of flash.Your opinion. Fine. You are by all means entitled to your opinion on any number of things. But having an opinion about whether or not I grasp something based on a single post is a tad odd. And that is my opinion.
> Its not a hassle, its a fantastic tool when
> used correctly.This is YOUR opinion. Not gospel.
*I* consider flash of any kind to be a hassle to MY browsing experience.
Most of the sites you might
> see are NOT done correctly.I wouldn't know because I don't allow flash to load.
> It doesn't take up valuable resources as you
> mention, I've used flash on a 233 pentium II
> with ZERO hassles so I doubt you'll
> experience any issues.Well excuse me all to hell. Not all of us have a Pentium 233 II with ram out the wazoo.
As Peter already mentioned... there are some people on dial up connection. Not everyone has cable modem or satelite internet. Not everyone has 56k modem even.
So EVERYTHING that increases load time of a page is a hassle.
> You are missing out on a lot of great things
> by being closed minded to the "memory
> hog plug ins". I'm curious where you
> got that term from and why.I got that term from my brain cells. They created it in response to my need to come up with a single explanation that encompassed what I wanted to get across.
Just because I don't agree with your views on flash does not mean I have a closed mind. You assume a lot of stuff about me in your post.
> Flash is NOT mostly used for ads. Its used
> for websites as well.Yes. It is used for ads and websites. If a website will only allow me to view it by turning on flash, then I am outta there. Plain and simple. *I* control MY browsing experience as much as possible.
Standard GOOD webdesign is about FAST LOADING. Flash is not fast loading on a dialup. Most people have dialup connection.
And while many others may not turn off their flash as I do, they will abandon the website all together.
> The trend now is "hybrid"
> websites.....using flash as well as HTML.To throw this back at ya... WHERE did you get this info byte from. Just make it up? Your opinion?
> The results are spectacular and theres SOLID
> proof that it works.Proof that what works? That you can create a website with flash in it? Of course you can.
> I have documentation from various companies.
Oh. Whoopie bloody do. You have documentation from various companies. Well my dad is better than your dad so there.
Michael Ross
For an indepth ongoing study on website usability go to: http://www.useit.com/ "
whats your take on this.....concerning flash? I'm curious to hear designers opinions.
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- MX_OnD0
Tell him firmly that Flash sites (done properly - goes without saying) can actually be much smaller than HTML sites....
more functional and dynamic too
but then again I had a friend who on the release of FLash MX confidently informed me that "none of the agencies are even working with Flash 5 because it's shit and the scripting is no good....."
hmmmm....I think what that really translates as is more "I'm shit at ActionScript and I don't want to admit it...." to which there is no shame to be honest, you can't be good at everything.
BUT
If you have PlugIns disabled then how, pray tell, can you possibly know what Flash is or is not used for??
One word for people like this:
IGNO-RANT
or
Ignore rant....
- unfittoprint0
fuck him.
- dconstrukt0
MX: do you have any links or anything to proove this?
yeah he's f'n ignorant.....
- slag_you_off0
whats your point?
get a room
- unknown0
This person you've spoken to is quite ignorant, quite narrow-minded, and could benefit from a change in whatever literature he's getting his statistics from.
"*I* control MY browsing experience as much as possible."
This has geek written all over it.
Why do people still talk like this?
I'm guessing this person wishes that he were an artist or designer, but he's not so he takes it out on others by bashing the program he can't wrap his own mind around.
Pothetic.
*spits on grave*
- JamesEngage0
He is just another usability wanker who thinks that usability is just maknig your site 'accessible' and have your text big...
- nuggler0
People don't know they're looking at Flash until it annoys them. ESPN.com for instance, yeah sometimes the ads are flash but so are the buttons, video, audio, logo - because it looks good and loads fast.
Sure, a lot of sites would be better without Flash, but if you have visual content - as opposed to just a lot of text - Flash is great, compact, cross-platform, a wonderful tool.
- 4cY0
what is pothetic?
- unknown0
it's my version of the correct word when I'm typing too fast. :D
It's what people like that are.