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- JazX0
LMAO! absolutely prom4theus.....
- kpl0
ok, I'll drop 50. I won't mention him again. for another 24 hours, maybe a week. but this aint about just 50.
but ok. this was another point I was going to make about hip-hop but I decided not to post:
you're using western classical definitions of music toward something more worldly and more rhythmical in hip-hop. Music existed before people drew the b flat. Hell, music probably existed outside of the 12-half-tone structure of western music.
Tell you what, 400 years ago, the Maori, Apache, or Chinese never heard of the staffs and clefs. You're saying hip-hoppers know as much musical notation as much as these folks. Yet you wanna say these non-european groups weren't making music?
The other point I want to make is that hip-hop is strongly rhythmic. any melodies are more or less extensions of rhythm. thus, the clefs and flats don't matter. What does matter is rhythm, and any hip-hop producer or rapper or DJ can and will tell you what tempo is, bars, phrases, song structures, etc. even if they don't know the 'proper' names for them.
- unknown0
dude let's stop arguing in circles.
it doesn't matter who made 50 cent what matters is if he is a musician or not.i'll wager that he and most Hip Hop cats out there wouldn't know a b flat from a clef when it comes to music.
Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken.
-Tyler Durden
- kpl0
don't say hip-hop is about image then, because it's not true for the whole. hip-hop is much more than mtv and always has been.
and no, 50 is not a creation of the suburbs. this is a guy who has been creating buzz since '99 and has been a superstar in the NY mixtape scene. suburb kids are the johnny-come-latelys and will latch on whoever's popular, and 50 was hot way before eminem came along.
- unknown0
kpl
you've just named some of my favourite artists , the 5% real Hip Hop that i talked about before.
while your assertion is correct that good, underground Hip Hop cares less about image than the commercial hip POP bullshit, I still don't listen to it because of the musical quality.
I listen and love the aforementioned artists because of their rhymes and their message and their creativity and their beats and the overall mental stimulation I get from listening to them.
and 50 cent wouldn't be anywhere today if he wasn't introduced to the suburban masses by eminem.
- kpl0
well quamb, I believe I did compare tribe to the beatles, which was for much of their career a bubble-gum pop group. and I'll go as far to say the MTV stuff ain't half bad. Things were worse three, four years ago, thank the lord for the Neptunes. anyway...
prom, you too have a right to your stupid and ignorant opinions too. Tell me how Common, Bahamadia, DJ Shadow, Automator, Prince Paul, Del & Heiroglyphics, Aceyalone & the Freestyle Fellowship, Lyrics Born, Lateef, Blackalicious, Peanut Butter Wolf, Organized Konfusion, KRS-ONE, Planet Asia, Zion I, Atmosphere, Sage Francis, Sole, El-P & Company Flow, Aesop Rock, J-Live, etc. are less about music and more on image.
And stop playing amateur psycologist. 50 cent did not become what he is today because of the suburbs.
- JazX0
yep
- unknown0
just last week my girl was
stressing menow her best friend be
undressing me
- cookie0
StyleJunky! I wanna check out Dakah but can't find no mpeethreesss!!! Know where I can find any!?!?
Thanks!
- unknown0
check out Dakah - a live hip hop orchestra from LA and tell me that's not music!
- cookie0
firreal quamb. For people like jaz to poopoo all hip hop is just plain silly! There's bound to be crap in ALL genres - that isn't to dictate that the entire genre is a crock of shit.
- quamb0
agreed prome4heus.
though no one is comparing hip hop to the beatles...
and no one is saying any of that MTV hip hop is good...
am trying to point out that there is some ACE hip hop out there that IS very good MUSIC.
since when does hip hop have to be about "50cent" or "midi loops"
hey- pick a genre, and i could make the same argument by blabbering out some commercial ass shit then pronouncing that therefore the genre aint music
- unknown0
Please people don't kid yourselves. Don't sit there and tell me that HIP-HOP is in the same category musicaly as the Beatles, or Pink Floyd or Marvin Gaye or Miles Davis or Louis Armstrong ect.
These are people that have studied and been inovators in the art form of music.
Hip-HOP is less about music and more about image.People don't flock to buy 50 cent records because of his musical talent, they buy it because of his thug image, so that these suburban wannabes can live out their gangster fantasies.
Like I said before, I love Hip Hop and when it's good, (5% of the time) it's amazing. But I love it for what it is, not because i think it's good music.
- Creon0
i like midi... tons of albums are recorded midi, not just rap or hip hop. in fact, a lot of your more popular rock albums are midi drums. Nothing wrong with that, someone still has to play it. nothing 'less musical' about it.
long live tribe!
- cookie0
i'm with kpl.
Nothing sums up jaz's comments better.
- JazX0
Ohh I guess so? Woot woot. ;)
- kpl0
yup, you have a right to your opinion, no matter how surprisingly stupid and ignorant it may be.
- JazX0
PS, I never claimed to be the Almighty in reference to sound, I just try to help people, it's just my opinion and I'm allowed to have one the last time I checked. ;)
- JazX0
I stand by my words, musically it's horrible, can you say midi, ten times fast?
- unknown0
as the ignorance on NT continues
Im just wondering do any of you super critical people ever do any work? Not only do you guys waste all you time hating on things, but you dont even know what your talking about, and Im not gonna waste my time explaining I have work to do