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- qBert
right now I'm totally in LOVE with PHP. It takes care of all of my freelance needs perfectly...... as for full-time corporate America job security goes, is it worth the time to learn M$ .net?
Probably a question I already know the answer to, I guess I really want to know how much .net peeps bring in and what you think about the technology itself.
- k9kuma0
i work in corporate hell... and .net is all we deal with, the corporate world loves M$ . the money is great though the work is boring and corporate life suks, though if you too want to be a corporate drone, i would learn it, as it has brought me up the ranks of corporate ladder... well not really i am still a pee-on (sp)!!!!
- sp0
well, since MS is re-evaulating it, and realizing that it's loosing money [ you can see numerous slashdot and newsforge articles about it ], and that it isn't as neato as they thought it would be, i would concentrate on php and xml.
:)
of course, with the rumor that MS will be developing applications for linux floating around, they might try to incorporate php into the fold...hmmm...interesting though.
- thanton0
ditto what k9kuma said..
But besides all of us M$ lap dogs.. I mean if you evaluate .net for it's merits alone.. it's not that great. We ended up having to do a ton of custom client-side stuff. otherwise you post-back for every little thing and it gets slow and annoying.
- mitsu0
.Net is a scam. They hyped it by hosting ".net launch events"
all over the states, probably the world. The people that attended were just a bunch of MS fanboys or just skeptics like myself. I wish I could take those 2 hours of my life back. As far as server-side web technologies, PHP is good, but I'll stick to ASP... for now.
- InVivio0
The .net framework incorporates all the VB, VBS and C# technologies. It's a way to get Microsoft developers a more versatile toolset.
- mitsu0
"It's a way to get Microsoft developers a more versatile toolset."
heh, we had that with visual studio 6.0.
- qBert0
thx for the insight all.
It's good to hear from peeps with experience..... bypass the hype and all.
- Mick0
I work with half a dozen developers that love it. Nothing is perfect but it has its benefits. Learn it a little and you decide if they're worth it -- either way people are using it. LOTS of people, especially for high end corporate stuff (which is where the 100K+ jobs are).
- blend0
Is it true that there is no XP version out yet?
- mitsu0
"LOTS of people, especially for high end corporate stuff (which is where the 100K+ jobs are). "
yep. and LOTS of people still use netscape too.
look, if you're really into the whole 'e-commerce' thang, then you owe it to yourself to look into it more. but from a developer who's been doing this a long time (including the high end corporate stuff ), i *personally don't use it and don't ever plan on it.
- sp0
in concept .net sounds good...especially for someone like me who enjoys any xml project...but, the licensing scheme is bogus and in the end, the application falls short of other technologies.
if you want to get into web services, it is better to develop in open-source languages, and in something that will work better across a diverse platform.
keep in mind that a lot of those "high-end" corporate offices are usually running some form of enterprise linux.
every developer and admin in the world not on MS payroll knows that windows servers have not reached a stable enterprise level yet.
the fact that .net is a proprietary language, requiring the use of MS servers, it isn't the best solution from any standpoint.
my last job, a corporate office with 6 factories evaluated moving everything to .net...but the cost outweighed the benefits...so we kept aix unix for all servers and went with open source strategies.
the biggest problem with MS technologies isn't the tech itself, it's their cost and licensing system. and the fact they want sole control over everything you do.
which ironically doesn't fit with the open-ness of xml - which is one of the new debates because of MS office moving towards a quasi-open structure...using xml.
a lot of xml professionals worry that this could impose undue restrictions on xml.
- thanton0
blend- not true. xp comes with the .net environment installed. Everyone in my office developes in .net on xp.
- Mick0
mitsu why did you debate what I said and then just repeat what I said?
I say "look into it yourself, lots of people use it".
You say "so what if lots of people use it, look into it yourself".
hehe