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- nb-1
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/…
Great article. The movement comes for Paw Patrol.
- shapesalad-4
How come the Chinese/Cantonese here in the UK can live in almost every little town and city, setup the ubiquitous Chinese take-away etc... and we never hear about their story of racial struggle and fight against prejudice?
I mean to say, some really rough northern little market towns, very white population, really deprived areas, will have a Chinese take-away run by Chinese/cantonese and seem to be integrated perfectly well. At least we don't hear about racial abuse in the news (only at the start of the year when people blamed Chinese for coronavirus specifically).
Similar for the indian community here in the UK.
It appears to me, the story of racism and struggle against systemic racism within the larger society of the UK is being reported in the news as a very specific black vs white narrative.
Just feels like there could be either a lot more going on with other races that isn't being brought to light. Or that there's some positives to learn from...
- Get a library card bronb
- "i'm white. I don't hear about racist shit happening to other people. They must be doing fine."pango
- Wait sorry my bad i should have been more accurate. "i'm white and in UK"
its usually the majority demographic unaware of racist shit.pango - you should really just go ask those people. have they encountered any racist or racist event?pango
- If Chinese were brought over as slaves, and then a civil war was fought over it, and then they were hunted down and treated as second class citizens for anotheryuekit
- century, do you think there might be slightly more tensions?yuekit
- I'm speaking about the USA here obviously, but BLM is an American movement.yuekit
- Well if the majority demographic are unaware of it, is it their fault? If the majority are not racist, just going about their lives, why should we be guiltyshapesalad
- of not know what's going on.shapesalad
- if the majority are racists, are they going to call them self racist? i've never seen a real racist calling them self racist.pango
- you're right. if you dont know its happening, you're not guilty of it. just cover your eyes and live a happy live.pango
- Slavery. Much more slavery.Projectile
- "monkey" boy speaks!fadein11
- I am literally having dinner with an Asian friend and hearing all the crappy racism she has to go through. Ignorance thy name is shapesalad.tank02
- Their history in the US is different in general (slavery for hundreds of years, etc). It’s rough but not the same.monospaced
- I give up. Just trying to think about the topic, end up with some thoughts and questions. But I’m called racist and stupid just for asking....shapesalad
- Perhaps try to enlighten instead of “oh your white and stupid for not knowing it goes on, and a racist as you’re white”... right. Thanks.shapesalad
- what nb said. if you care, read a book. qbn is not a reliable source of any information. and it's not other ppl's job to educate you. at least google it...sarahfailin
- Dude calling you white is important to the context. Cuz you're white in UK. And I didn't call you stupid. Only implied ignora. Which only means you don't know.pango
- *ignorant.pango
- i dont think people are bothered by your ignorance but more so by how you process the lack of knowledge. i guarantee you there are bunch of closet racists in UKpango
- ^ certain members of my extended family confirms that there are, and they ain’t in the closet!MrT
- ^ therepango
- dont give up shape. that shit is called reasondeathboy
- its a very vocal minority. the rational majoirty is still there.deathboy
- Deathboy finally here to save everyone from having to think.scruffics
- if they had some thought woudl they need saving?deathboy
- also my thoguht isnt spoonfed it is active and ever changing. dogma is for politics and religiondeathboy
- instead of focus on me direct a response to shape or what he is talking about sruffy. u can learn while formulating questions as welldeathboy
- lol congrat shape. deathboy would like to educate you. you're about to get schooled.pango
- Dunno, every paki and chink friend i've had has suffered incidental abuse at the hands of ignorant white people.
Wait.Nairn - If you've not ever heard of racism against cultures other than black ones in the UK, you either haven't been watching, or have ignored them.Nairn
- UK is absolutely racist, but to what degree mostly, it's trickier to say. We're rqacist against the French, ffs. A lot of it is just mindless social rubbing.Nairn
- Brits hate everyone.
Including thermselves.Nairn - Thermselves.Nairn
- ^ lolpango
- brits are so nice. have you not seen european vacation?deathboy
- and pango i only acknowlegde shape perception is correct.nothing to be taught. Think u confused comment to srcuffy with shape.deathboy
- Congrat shape. Deathboy agree with you.pango
- yes try the emo fake value. i agrre with shape so instead of focusing on words i agree with you try to focus and associate with me.deathboy
- pango those tricks are for peasants.in truth me and shape have nothing in common except a single talking point. take your witch hate else wheredeathboy
- its too medieval and peasantry for my ivory castle tastes. and get a job hippydeathboy
- what wrong being associated with you? you don't like it?pango
- Fuck off deathboy you loser. Everyone thinks you should go away.monospaced
- nothing wrong pango, but to associate values irrationally is the issue. and than we get a small dicked guy who missed his career as a cop insulting w/ authoritydeathboy
- he entirely lacks. give him a gun and let him police and see what happens. loldeathboy
- Nothing wrong then why you whining?pango
- mort_2
Seattle
- fuckyeah, this is how you do this.sted
- poor trees. who will water them when the water is shut off.deathboy
- rain?pango
- ha well seattle is rainy. it probably will work out.deathboy
- what of the rights of property owners in the area? assumign this is the chud zonedeathboy
- what property owner? i thought city owns the road.pango
- thinking the buildings in the areas. still assuming the "autonomous" zone of seattledeathboy
- annexed by hooligans, you dont pay taxes to us. you pay them to whom and how and when. And the major reason for gov is defense of property. gov fails here ideathboy
- wonder the questionable lawsuits coming out of this down the road and seattle taxpayers farther on the hook for itdeathboy
- ya lets see whats going on. have they complain yet? you heard anyone complain yet?pango
- ive seen plenty of complaints, typical of mafia controlled hoods. but its not really good optics for MSM. i expect soem nice big lawsuits within a monthdeathboy
- still waiting to see going back to covid 19 since blm jumped the shark from protests to trivial children looking to rob shitdeathboy
- ha. exacly. we will see.pango
- sarahfailin13
✊- flolrenderedred
- hahahah :D:Dsted
- so goodinstrmntl
- flol lip plateNairn
- lolKrassy
- Hahamort_
- Perfect!Turboslacker
- lolz!!PonyBoy
- I thought that the afro was the sun at first, lolutopian
- I do think there was an overreaction to this news event but if it was expressed in this way I would have been very happy.CyBrainX
- Hey bobo see how easy the libs laugh at their own? How hard is it to laugh at the absurdity of your own party? Shows you’re human._niko
- LoLBennn
- WAKANDA FOREVER!pango
- +1 _nikoNairn
- i with niko on this onerenderedred
- Nairn2
So I've just had a job cancelled because of the fallout here in the UK from the recent BLM wave.
Not a big job, so I don't really care - I'd spent an hour or so working on it. My client emailled apologetically to say that his client had cancelled, mentioning BLM - presumably because of fears based on the recent defacing of historical figures.
The thing I had to do was based on a slightly well-known historical figure here in the UK.
To be clear - this guy had fuck all to do with anything to do with slavery or anything like that.
My client said that his client wanted me to charge for my time, but I responded quite bluntly that I didn't want any money from someone who thinks the way his client is. Not his fault. Not BLM's fault. Just some idiot middle class cunt, part of a cascade of pointless self-loathing.
Fucking stupid.
- Bindegal0
- this guy is tedious Zzzzzznb
- YouTubers suck in general. They prefer talking for hours to their webcam because then they don't have to have discourse. Fucking narcissistsnb
- https://i.imgur.com/…pango
- instrmntl6
- That’s well and all but where’s all the rage when it’s black on black murders? It’s just jokes then eh Dave? Nobody’s going to respect you and take you serious_niko
- Seriously until you start respecting each other first. Stop calling each other ni**** and stop murdering each other. How can anyone like you when you don’t lik_niko
- Like you. In fact, you hate you._niko
- Also worst comedy special ever lol_niko
- ^wut?pango
- I agree whole heartedly with his anger towards cops, seriously fuck em. Dave meanders here, he’s got a lot of hurt and anger but doesn’t know where to focus it_niko
- Watched this twice and just feels like he’s on the defensive for not being vocal enough or reacting like he was expected to. His articulate idiot joke was funny_niko
- swear i remember him getting shredded for his opinions last timedeathboy
- ^ triggered alert, calling the wambulanceSalarrue
- He admits "this is not funny at all". It's not a comedy set. Let Dave speak. Fucking national treasure, this guy.nb
- ive always found dave funny. just remember pc culture slamming him on his comebac last time.deathboy
- jsut shows how pointless and shallow it isdeathboy
- omahadesigns-4
- Why did you post this in multiple threads? I I see a clear and distinctive pattern from you...trolling much these days?utopian
- hey utopian ive asked u the same question withotu response...hmmdeathboy
- Hey deathboy...when will you share some of your work? You fucking racist troll.utopian
- when u can answer a question honestly, like do you parents know you are racist?deathboy
- BustySaintClaire-2
BLM Shredded, apparently by a black Prof
- “How far back into history shall we dig for ancestral faults? The stone age? Let us achieve maximum wokeness.“ lol_niko
- Wow, "shredded" by one guy's opinion!yuekit
- Just cancel the whole movement, everyone go home, we found a conservative black guy.yuekit
- cancel it becuase it is notign it says it is. in fact quite the oppositedeathboy
- _niko2
UC Berkeley History Professor's Open Letter Against BLM, Police Brutality and Cultural Orthodoxy
Dear profs X, Y, Z
I am one of your colleagues at the University of California, Berkeley. I have met you both personally but do not know you closely, and am contacting you anonymously, with apologies. I am worried that writing this email publicly might lead to me losing my job, and likely all future jobs in my field.
In your recent departmental emails you mentioned our pledge to diversity, but I am increasingly alarmed by the absence of diversity of opinion on the topic of the recent protests and our community response to them.
In the extended links and resources you provided, I could not find a single instance of substantial counter-argument or alternative narrative to explain the under-representation of black individuals in academia or their over-representation in the criminal justice system. The explanation provided in your documentation, to the near exclusion of all others, is univariate: the problems of the black community are caused by whites, or, when whites are not physically present, by the infiltration of white supremacy and white systemic racism into American brains, souls, and institutions.
Many cogent objections to this thesis have been raised by sober voices, including from within the black community itself, such as Thomas Sowell and Wilfred Reilly. These people are not racists or 'Uncle Toms'. They are intelligent scholars who reject a narrative that strips black people of agency and systematically externalizes the problems of the black community onto outsiders. Their view is entirely absent from the departmental and UCB-wide communiques.
The claim that the difficulties that the black community faces are entirely causally explained by exogenous factors in the form of white systemic racism, white supremacy, and other forms of white discrimination remains a problematic hypothesis that should be vigorously challenged by historians. Instead, it is being treated as an axiomatic and actionable truth without serious consideration of its profound flaws, or its worrying implication of total black impotence. This hypothesis is transforming our institution and our culture, without any space for dissent outside of a tightly policed, narrow discourse.
A counternarrative exists. If you have time, please consider examining some of the documents I attach at the end of this email. Overwhelmingly, the reasoning provided by BLM and allies is either primarily anecdotal (as in the case with the bulk of Ta-Nehisi Coates' undeniably moving article) or it is transparently motivated. As an example of the latter problem, consider the proportion of black incarcerated Americans. This proportion is often used to characterize the criminal justice system as anti-black. However, if we use the precise same methodology, we would have to conclude that the criminal justice system is even more anti-male than it is anti-black.
Would we characterize criminal justice as a systemically misandrist conspiracy against innocent American men? I hope you see that this type of reasoning is flawed, and requires a significant suspension of our rational faculties. Black people are not incarcerated at higher rates than their involvement in violent crime would predict. This fact has been demonstrated multiple times across multiple jurisdictions in multiple countries.
And yet, I see my department uncritically reproducing a narrative that diminishes black agency in favor of a white-centric explanation that appeals to the department's apparent desire to shoulder the 'white man's burden' and to promote a narrative of white guilt.
If we claim that the criminal justice system is white-supremacist, why is it that Asian Americans, Indian Americans, and Nigerian Americans are incarcerated at vastly lower rates than white Americans? This is a funny sort of white supremacy. Even Jewish Americans are incarcerated less than gentile whites. I think it's fair to say that your average white supremacist disapproves of Jews. And yet, these alleged white supremacists incarcerate gentiles at vastly higher rates than Jews. None of this is addressed in your literature. None of this is explained, beyond hand-waving and ad hominems. "Those are racist dogwhistles". "The model minority myth is white supremacist". "Only fascists talk about black-on-black crime", ad nauseam.
These types of statements do not amount to counterarguments: they are simply arbitrary offensive classifications, intended to silence and oppress discourse. Any serious historian will recognize these for the silencing orthodoxy tactics they are, common to suppressive regimes, doctrines, and religions throughout time and space. They are intended to crush real diversity and permanently exile the culture of robust criticism from our department.
Increasingly, we are being called upon to comply and subscribe to BLM's problematic view of history, and the department is being presented as unified on the matter. In particular, ethnic minorities are being aggressively marshaled into a single position. Any apparent unity is surely a function of the fact that dissent could almost certainly lead to expulsion or cancellation for those of us in a precarious position, which is no small number.
I personally don't dare speak out against the BLM narrative, and with this barrage of alleged unity being mass-produced by the administration, tenured professoriat, the UC administration, corporate America, and the media, the punishment for dissent is a clear danger at a time of widespread economic vulnerability. I am certain that if my name were attached to this email, I would lose my job and all future jobs, even though I believe in and can justify every word I type.
The vast majority of violence visited on the black community is committed by black people. There are virtually no marches for these invisible victims, no public silences, no heartfelt letters from the UC regents, deans, and departmental heads. The message is clear: Black lives only matter when whites take them. Black violence is expected and insoluble, while white violence requires explanation and demands solution. Please look into your hearts and see how monstrously bigoted this formulation truly is.
No discussion is permitted for nonblack victims of black violence, who proportionally outnumber black victims of nonblack violence. This is especially bitter in the Bay Area, where Asian victimization by black assailants has reached epidemic proportions, to the point that the SF police chief has advised Asians to stop hanging good-luck charms on their doors, as this attracts the attention of (overwhelmingly black) home invaders. Home invaders like George Floyd. For this actual, lived, physically experienced reality of violence in the USA, there are no marches, no tearful emails from departmental heads, no support from McDonald's and Wal-Mart. For the History department, our silence is not a mere abrogation of our duty to shed light on the truth: it is a rejection of it.
The claim that black intraracial violence is the product of redlining, slavery, and other injustices is a largely historical claim. It is for historians, therefore, to explain why Japanese internment or the massacre of European Jewry hasn't led to equivalent rates of dysfunction and low SES performance among Japanese and Jewish Americans respectively. Arab Americans have been viciously demonized since 9/11, as have Chinese Americans more recently. However, both groups outperform white Americans on nearly all SES indices - as do Nigerian Americans, who incidentally have black skin. It is for historians to point out and discuss these anomalies. However, no real discussion is possible in the current climate at our department. The explanation is provided to us, disagreement with it is racist, and the job of historians is to further explore additional ways in which the explanation is additionally correct. This is a mockery of the historical profession.
Most troublingly, our department appears to have been entirely captured by the interests of the Democratic National Convention, and the Democratic Party more broadly. To explain what I mean, consider what happens if you choose to donate to Black Lives Matter, an organization UCB History has explicitly promoted in its recent mailers. All donations to the official BLM website are immediately redirected to ActBlue Charities, an organization primarily concerned with bankrolling election campaigns for Democrat candidates. Donating to BLM today is to indirectly donate to Joe Biden's 2020 campaign. This is grotesque given the fact that the American cities with the worst rates of black-on-black violence and police-on-black violence are overwhelmingly Democrat-run. Minneapolis itself has been entirely in the hands of Democrats for over five decades; the 'systemic racism' there was built by successive Democrat administrations.
The patronizing and condescending attitudes of Democrat leaders towards the black community, exemplified by nearly every Biden statement on the black race, all but guarantee a perpetual state of misery, resentment, poverty, and the attendant grievance politics which are simultaneously annihilating American political discourse and black lives. And yet, donating to BLM is bankrolling the election campaigns of men like Mayor Frey, who saw their cities devolve into violence. This is a grotesque capture of a good-faith movement for necessary police reform, and of our department, by a political party. Even worse, there are virtually no avenues for dissent in academic circles. I refuse to serve the Party, and so should you.
The total alliance of major corporations involved in human exploitation with BLM should be a warning flag to us, and yet this damning evidence goes unnoticed, purposefully ignored, or perversely celebrated. We are the useful idiots of the wealthiest classes, carrying water for Jeff Bezos and other actual, real, modern-day slavers. Starbucks, an organisation using literal black slaves in its coffee plantation suppliers, is in favor of BLM. Sony, an organisation using cobalt mined by yet more literal black slaves, many of whom are children, is in favor of BLM. And so, apparently, are we. The absence of counter-narrative enables this obscenity. Fiat lux, indeed.
There also exists a large constituency of what can only be called 'race hustlers': hucksters of all colors who benefit from stoking the fires of racial conflict to secure administrative jobs, charity management positions, academic jobs and advancement, or personal political entrepreneurship.
Given the direction our history department appears to be taking far from any commitment to truth, we can regard ourselves as a formative training institution for this brand of snake-oil salespeople. Their activities are corrosive, demolishing any hope at harmonious racial coexistence in our nation and colonizing our political and institutional life. Many of their voices are unironically segregationist.
MLK would likely be called an Uncle Tom if he spoke on our campus today. We are training leaders who intend, explicitly, to destroy one of the only truly successful ethnically diverse societies in modern history. As the PRC, an ethnonationalist and aggressively racially chauvinist national polity with null immigration and no concept of jus solis increasingly presents itself as the global political alternative to the US, I ask you: Is this wise? Are we really doing the right thing?
As a final point, our university and department has made multiple statements celebrating and eulogizing George Floyd. Floyd was a multiple felon who once held a pregnant black woman at gunpoint. He broke into her home with a gang of men and pointed a gun at her pregnant stomach. He terrorized the women in his community. He sired and abandoned multiple children, playing no part in their support or upbringing, failing one of the most basic tests of decency for a human being. He was a drug-addict and sometime drug-dealer, a swindler who preyed upon his honest and hard-working neighbors.
And yet, the regents of UC and the historians of the UCB History department are celebrating this violent criminal, elevating his name to virtual sainthood. A man who hurt women. A man who hurt black women. With the full collaboration of the UCB history department, corporate America, most mainstream media outlets, and some of the wealthiest and most privileged opinion-shaping elites of the USA, he has become a culture hero, buried in a golden casket, his (recognized) family showered with gifts and praise. Americans are being socially pressured into kneeling for this violent, abusive misogynist. A generation of black men are being coerced into identifying with George Floyd, the absolute worst specimen of our race and species.
I'm ashamed of my department. I would say that I'm ashamed of both of you, but perhaps you agree with me, and are simply afraid, as I am, of the backlash of speaking the truth. It's hard to know what kneeling means, when you have to kneel to keep your job.
It shouldn't affect the strength of my argument above, but for the record, I write as a person of color. My family have been personally victimized by men like Floyd. We are aware of the condescending depredations of the Democrat party against our race. The humiliating assumption that we are too stupid to do STEM, that we need special help and lower requirements to get ahead in life, is richly familiar to us. I sometimes wonder if it wouldn't be easier to deal with open fascists, who at least would be straightforward in calling me a subhuman, and who are unlikely to share my race.
The ever-present soft bigotry of low expectations and the permanent claim that the solutions to the plight of my people rest exclusively on the goodwill of whites rather than on our own hard work is psychologically devastating. No other group in America is systematically demoralized in this way by its alleged allies. A whole generation of black children are being taught that only by begging and weeping and screaming will they get handouts from guilt-ridden whites.
No message will more surely devastate their futures, especially if whites run out of guilt, or indeed if America runs out of whites. If this had been done to Japanese Americans, or Jewish Americans, or Chinese Americans, then Chinatown and Japantown would surely be no different to the roughest parts of Baltimore and East St. Louis today. The History department of UCB is now an integral institutional promulgator of a destructive and denigrating fallacy about the black race.
I hope you appreciate the frustration behind this message. I do not support BLM. I do not support the Democrat grievance agenda and the Party's uncontested capture of our department. I do not support the Party co-opting my race, as Biden recently did in his disturbing interview, claiming that voting Democrat and being black are isomorphic. I condemn the manner of George Floyd's death and join you in calling for greater police accountability and police reform. However, I will not pretend that George Floyd was anything other than a violent misogynist, a brutal man who met a predictably brutal end.
I also want to protect the practice of history. Cleo is no grovelling handmaiden to politicians and corporations. Like us, she is free.
/end
- So firedGnash
- tl;dr?pango
- I agree with everything he said but I also think cops are fucking dicks._niko
- He’s a Nazi, pangoGnash
- i love linked to thomas sowell. looked him up to see hsitake and realized hey and adult without a twitterdeathboy
- pango read shit. it makes u a bette person.. hopefully through intelligencedeathboy
- no i dont wanna read shit!pango
- you read and write shit.pango
- why would anyone except deathboy want to read shit?pango
- When first saw this post, my first thought was that it was deathboy's.utopian
- haha. come to the darkside of reading pangodeathboy
- no thanks. i can't stand incoherent ramblingpango
- than perhaps you are not fit for the darkside if you cant understadn any of it. best to stick to sunday comicsdeathboy
- you white racist who hate the darkside!deathboy
- right.pango
- lol cant even have fun with it makes me think u might actually not want to read... to each their own right?deathboy
- dude mono u bought a house have a kid. its time to grow up a bit. or not have your wife find a bbc and tell you to fuck off and take halfdeathboy
- Have you actually tried to read your own words? It's so incoherent! It's like your drunk or something.pango
- Shut up you two. It's a very interesting read.i_monk
- deathboy-2
ah i miss this show. not sure it could exist today.
- fuck you deathboymonospaced
- Hey deathboy...when will you share some of your work? You fucking racist troll.utopian
- lol. where is all your work?deathboy
- got the insults and defamation down, now triggered by sted are you going to try and link to anyone who doesnt show work must be "place your own value" withoutdeathboy
- ralizing the obviosu hypocirsy... well than again the whole blm thing is woke hypocrisy by a loud a minority that doesnt get it..deathboy
- our work has been for decades on this site you sorry lil piece of shit. go make your Trump casino flyers you talentless hacktank02
- oh great tank. when was your last post of work?deathboy
- If you think BLM is hypocrisy then you are a racist cunt and should be outed as a racist in public you stupid incel bitchmonospaced
- haha mono im not in highschool. your baseless insults dont bother me. especially since i dont think u ever were a cool kid...deathboy
- drgs-2
Nothing wrong with black people as a race. Africans living in US are doing great, even southern blacks are doing ok.
It all boils down to ghetto culture in the big cities. I already mentioned the term "Oreos" for racial traitors -- black students who want to study. The peer pressure in the ghetto commands you to avoid mimicking white people in any way, even if it means making a life for yourself.
Rap, hip-hop, basketball, Nike sneakers etc, all black urban steteotypes -- are all products of Hollywood and successful commercial advertising, like cigarettes or bottled water. Products which are essentially not needed by anyone.
Sort of like Australian aborigines, who live on welfare and paint boomerangs and didgirida in the style of abstractionism and pointillism, although they never did anything like this before and it was never part of their native culture, but someone taught them.
The problem is, even if these artifacts are limited to the ghetto culture, an average person who does not interact with other black people outside of the ghetto, will connect it with race anyway as a common denominator.
The only solution is:
1) A cultural mindwipe, new ideals. Since most if the media is privately owned, absolutely not clear how to achieve this, but more black actors in fitting roles is a good start.
2) Avoid segregation at all costs. Mix and dilute the people living in the ghettos. Since the American state is weak in these types of questions, I don't see it happening.
3) A new leader of black people, akin to MLK and Malcolm X. I propose Dave Chappelle.
- racial traitors?
like uncle tom?pango - 2) agree. but what do you mean weak?pango
- 3) Ha. I'm pretty sure he will tell you that's a terrible idea.pango
- https://www.urbandic…drgs
- Ghettos in a nutshell: white people convinced black people not to interfere with their lives, and made black people think it was a good ideadrgs
- So you have black people policing themselves, calling traitors "Oreos", and protecting the ghettodrgs
- I'm turning into this guy
https://youtu.be/cxy…drgs - Hip hop culture celebrates thuggery.Doris_McSquirter
- so oreo means black kids who behaves properly, cuz they got a bit of white in them...? that sounds really racist...pango
- "white people convinced black people not to interfere with their lives" whhooooooaaaaaa?pango
- "Good living is white living"drgs
- Again. That sounds really racist.pango
- Oh look it's the racist troll Doris.pango
- One thing is that is interesting is that as living standards erode in America, lower class whites are increasingly falling into the same self destructiveyuekit
- behavior... drug use (opiate epidemic), broken marriages, anti intellectualism etc.yuekit
- So I'm not sure I'd say culture is the root cause, because even as they post these long copypastas about how terrible black culture is, whites are doing theyuekit
- same thing to themselves.yuekit
- The long article above illustrates exactly why this is not the case (poverty causing poverty)drgs
- The black history professor one? Reads more like an opinion piece to me. How does it prove anything?yuekit
- Higher social mobility in African blacks and southern blacks, like I already mentioned. btw, Africans despise ghetto blacks for this exact reasondrgs
- The USA is a big country, people in some places are doing better than others. But overall the working class has been in decline since at least the 80s.yuekit
- White life expectancy has actually gone down over the past decade. Record numbers of poor whites died of heroin and opiate overdose or simply killed themselves.yuekit
- In fact more whites died of drug overdoses within a two year period than in the entire Vietnam war. Is that a problem of culture or economics?yuekit
- Both. If everyone else is doing drugs, you will likely do it too, even if not poor
India has a sizeable poor class, drugs are alien to them.drgs - But I understand, culture follows economic class, there are not many golf players in the ghetto. You can say within the lower class there are several culturesdrgs
- Ghetto and drug users being two of many, but you don't have to belong to eitherdrgs
- Yeah it's interesting. More people died from opioids than from COVID-19 by a significant margin. But the media barely talks about it.yuekit
- Apparently a big factor in this was pharma companies pushing doctors to prescribe people stronger and stronger drugs, which they then got addicted to.yuekit
- So I do believe American style capitalism is part of what keeps these people, whether black or white in a cycle of poverty.yuekit
- It's almost predatory, push them to take drugs, target them to get signed up to credit cards and loans they can't ever pay off.yuekit
- Then when economy crashes, these people get hit the hardest. Black homeowners the ones who got completely wiped out in 2008 crash, and probably same this time.yuekit
- I agree with number 2 but you're ignoring how ghettos actually got there in the first place.ben_
- And rap/hip hop are not products of hollywood or advertising, you're so far off the mark there its scary.ben_
- Hip hop should have died in mid 2000s, everything since then is a product of advertisingdrgs
- So is country, pop, and whatever other genres are.pango
- Lot's of dead genres from the 90s: eurodance, grunge, dnb etc. My point is hip hop belongs to this groupdrgs
- Or even something like this, unthinkable in 2020:
https://www.youtube.…
https://www.youtube.…drgs - lol now you just sound like an old man complaining about how time has changed.pango
- I just picked two of the silliest videos... I don't remember what point I was trying to makedrgs
- Anyway, ghetto culture is not sacred and does not define black people. I hope we keep the good parts, and get rid of the bad partsdrgs
- Don't you think it's already changed? The era of gangsta rap was late 80s/90s.yuekit
- Also in terms of role models, personal morality etc, let's consider these two examples, Barack Obama (black America) vs Donald Trump (white America)yuekit
- Maybe you were right earlier about poverty being the root cause, as long as there are ghettos, there will be people writing music about their ghetto lifedrgs
- Can't get rid of rap without getting rid of the ghettos. What's music are ghetto residents (?) listening to nowdays?
https://youtu.be/-le…
?drgs - Can't say. Never been to one.
Have you?pango - Look what rap music did
https://www.youtube.…yuekit - It's the lyrics -- romantic life of prof convicts, pimps, gang rule and getting rich the easy way. By the age of 10 the social ladder is fully engraved in youdrgs
- Rap/Hip Hop having phases is what you're describing. Whether you like it or not doesn't matter (other than to you). The genre is not manufactured by advertisingben_
- There were years where rap was overwhelmingly positive, years where it was mostly gangster driven, etc. etc. there's always OTHER music being made, but it'sben_
- a reflection of the times/realities. Sure, advertising plays a role in what gets popular at a given moment but that's not the fault of the artist.ben_
- And the ghetto has produced loads of rappers with different messages, voices and perspectives. Some productive, some not so productive. Thinking all people inben_
- impoverished areas listen to the same music is a little fucked, no?ben_
- I will readily admit I have no idea what I'm talking about, but my impression is the same: I'm not saying rap was created by the music industry, I'm saying thatdrgs
- at some point it was picked up by the same people who did boy band music. Its basically pop, and its tireddrgs
- I don't mean it in a mean way, but it's pretty clear you don't know what you're talking about, but maybe that's because you haven't listened to much rap outsideben_
- of whatever is popular at the time? Sure a&r's pick up and push certain acts, but name a legitimate Rap group that was manufactured like N'Sync?ben_
- But all that isn't really the point. Rap that talks about the ghetto is just talking about a reality, no different than Taylor Swift talks about ex-boyfriendsben_
- You can blame corporate labels and media for pushing one image over another but that doesn't address the reason ghettos exist in the first place.ben_
- racial traitors?
- Doris_McSquirter-6
- https://www.dailymai…Doris_McSquirter
- bit of a head scratcher this oneDoris_McSquirter
- _niko6
Remember the narrative from the 90’s? I loved KRS-one, I loved chuck d, I loved the enlightened and militant attitude this was true black wokeness, not the sjw bullshit of today. When rap meant something and rappers had a message, not like the idiots of today.
“Back in the 50’s and 60’s our brothers and sisters would hang, so how could you gang-bang?
I never ever ran from the ku klux klan and I shouldn’t have to run from a black man
Cause that’s self destruction”
- grafician-3
"US protests: Atlanta police chief resigns following fatal police shooting of Rayshard Brooks
Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms called for the termination of the police officer who shot and killed Rayshard Brooks on Friday. Bottoms also announced that Atlanta's Police Chief Ericka Shields, has voluntarily stepped down. Read on for the latest news, updates and reforms being taken as protests continue across the country."
https://twitter.com/i/events/126…
so the police shot and killed another black man on Friday, in Atlanta?
btw, look at this entire thread on twitter, the protests are just getting bigger!
just because the media is not showing anything anymore, the protests are still there, getting bigger and spread all over the world!
- so a stupid drunk driver dude beats up 2 cops and stills a tazer than points it at them? big question here is woudl it matter any differenlty if not black?deathboy
- i think it would be any other day in florida. but pretty much evidence black lives matter much more than any other skin colordeathboy
- florids is a fark joke...deathboy
- If a white cop had gotten killed here instead of a black man, the remedy would have been: "thoughts and prayers"cherub
- grafician-1
"A community seeks answers after a young black man is found hanging from a tree in Los Angeles County"
"Dozens of people gathered at Palmdale city council chambers Friday as officials held a press conference on the death of a 24-year-old black man who was found hanging from a tree in northern Los Angeles County.
Shortly after 3:30 a.m. Monday, a passerby noticed a man, later identified as Robert L. Fuller, hanging from a tree in Palmdale, California. Fire department personnel who responded to the scene determined he was dead, the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department said in a statement.
Palmdale city described it as "an alleged death by suicide.""https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/…
His name was Robert Fuller...
- grafician-1
"VICTORVILLE, Calif. (VVNG.com) — The San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Department said foul play is not suspected in the death of a Black man who was found hanging in a tree in Victorville."
“Our brother Malcolm Harsch died on May 31st. His cause of death has not been released to the family yet but we are concerned that his death will be labeled as a suicide, as this is what was communicated to us upon confirmation of his death on the morning of June 1st,” stated the family."
https://www.vvng.com/sheriffs-de…
His name was Malcolm Harsch...
- Damn these "trees" in LA keep suiciding these black folks lately, racist trees man...grafician
