UK in/out Europe?
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- chrisRG3
It's hard to believe that people listen to Nigel Farage in the 21st century.
- Absolute moron.fadein11
- they don't. It's late 19th century forever in Farageland.Fax_Benson
- farage and his ilk are the only things stopping me voting out...hans_glib
- that is the point, like it or not he is the voice of the Leave Campaign. Voting Leave is voting UKP.chrisRG
- Smug middle englanders and stupid racists might sway a Brexit. Voting out for rule Britannia and good ol' xenophobia. Sad.monoboy
- If the Remain campaign wins, Farage is going to have a really ugly, really public fit/meltdown. I'd give anything to punch him in the back of the fucking head.Continuity
- ^ yep and lol.fadein11
- couldn't agree more. that's supposed to had happened after last election, he even resigned from UKIP, and suddenly got back.chrisRG
- There was a controversy years ago, at the end of Québec's last in/out referendum, wherein the then-premier of the province blamed the loss of the Out vote on...Continuity
- ... the province's immigrant population. Caused a real stir. This is exactly what Farage will do, too.Continuity
- Forced immigrant quotas by an unelected bureaucracy, under the threat of economic sanctions does not seem to be in any countries best interest.IRNlun6
- pfft, what's quarter of a million people a year for a vast country like the UK with a nominal native popula... oh, hold on.detritus
- It interesting to see where real problems need addressing in europe especially on an economic level are considered xenophobic so not to talk about it.yurimon
- He's such a grinning cunt and just all round jizz guzzler you wanna punch him with a knife again and again.necromation
- yurimon - Farage supporter.fadein11
- set5
Ugh the whole 'bremain' and 'brexit' thing is making me punchy.
Yes, we know it's Britain, you don't need to put a fucking 'bre' in front of normal people words you shower of shits.
- br*set
- must be the brexceptionalism, you even got your own Politics thread on qbnuan
- Bretardsset
- and keep on writing, I find it quite interesting to read the different opinions here, it's quite different what I get from the media.uan
- haha, you need to breave brokingsteven
- i felt the same about brexit until i saw someone using 'bremain' this morning... i'm all over it now.kingsteven
- Bring low sweet chariotlowimpakt
- I had no idea what brexit meant until now. Granted I didn't bother to look into it myself either.monospaced
- Now that I do know I completely agree with set.monospaced
- Next person to use either is getting a brick up their branusset
- calm down, BretFax_Benson
- Bwwwwwaaaaa Brian, Brian badonde! That's all I think of when reading/hearing itcruddlebub
- ^ lolset
- detritus5
I was brought up in Spain and currently live in London with an Italian for a partner. If we vote Out I'm at best moving to Edinburgh (unlikely, it's too cold for 'er indoors) or more-likely moving to Spain or Italy, before I'm disallowed.
I'll be fucked if I'm staying in this soon-to-be squalid backwater of parochial self-interest and navel-gazing post-post-Empire self-delusion.
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Much better to stay in, stay relevant and stay invested in a fraternal socio-cultural collective whose future course we can be part of and help guide.
- +1MultiUserTroll
- Move to holland! Nice hot summers and mild winters!sureshot
- fuck the ozone layer!sureshot
- Come to Basque Country, you'll not regret ;)OBBTKN
- I'd love to, OBBTKN! I suspect she'd rather the Barcelona-end though, annoyingly...detritus
- +1chrisRG
- The EU is a scam run by Brussels civil servants. They dont give a shit about you.Dillinger
- bleh, all politics is a scam. That's about redundant and worthless an opinion as there is.detritus
- You think UKIP or the Tories have the Great Populace's best considerations at heart?detritus
- Vuelve a España!Chimp
- chrisRG4
It's absurd to ask for people to vote on a matter like this, elected leaders should point specialists in Economics, Politics, Sovereignty, History, etc.. (The Parliament) to decide it.
Truth is Cameron felt threatened by Farage during the election and had this brilliant referendum idea. Cameron is to blame for this mess.
- Right ! Democracy is an absurdity... People are stupid and don't know a shit ! We better shall trust those technocrats to handle every aspect of or lives.gonzalle
- In this case EVERYONE is 'stupid and don't know shit'. There is no authoritative resource for accurate information. There is a myriad of conflicting problems...Morning_star
- ..., each of them tainted and spun depending on who you listen to. It's a fucking mess and shouldn't have been managed like this. Democracy has litlle to do...Morning_star
- ..with it.Morning_star
- This is nothing to do with democracy, representative democracy is different than plebiscite democracy.chrisRG
- spot onkingsteven
- Of course asking the people to decide is absurd, that's why it's pretend.set
- Check your next design meeting to see how absurd leaving professional tasks to democracy is, gonzallemekk
- fadein111
"A good friend of mine came up with a great idea. If you don't have the time/inclination to find out all the facts about the EU referendum (I don't blame you) and are possibly unsure which way to vote, perhaps knowing how other notable people are thinking could help out.
Here are a few that strongly believe the UK should remain a member of the EU:
• Governor of the Bank of England
• International Monetary Fund
• Institute for Fiscal Studies
• Confederation of British Industry
• Leaders/heads of state of every single other member of the EU
• President of the United States of America
• Eight former US Treasury Secretaries
• President of China
• Prime Minister of India
• Prime Minister of Canada
• Prime Minister of Australia
• Prime Minister of Japan
• Prime Minister of New Zealand
• The chief executives of most of the top 100 companies in the UK including Marks and Spencer, BT, Asda, Vodafone, Virgin, IBM, BMW etc.
• Kofi Annan, the former Secretary General of the United Nations
• All living former Prime Ministers of the UK (from both parties)
• Virtually all reputable and recognised economists
• The Prime Minister of the UK
• The leader of the Labour Party
• The Leader of the Liberal Democrats
• The Leader of the Green Party
• The Leader of the Scottish National Party
• The leader of Plaid Cymru
• Leader of Sinn Fein
• Martin Lewis, that money saving dude off the telly
• The Secretary General of the TUC
• Unison
• National Union of Students
• National Union of Farmers
• Stephen Hawking
• Chief Executive of the NHS
• 300 of the most prominent international historians
• Director of Europol
• David Anderson QC, Independent Reviewer of Terrorism Legislation
• Former Directors of GCHQ
• Secretary General of Nato
• Church of England
• Church in Scotland
• Church in Wales
• Friends of the Earth
• Greenpeace
• Director General of the World Trade Organisation
• WWF
• World Bank
• OECDHere are pretty much the only notable people who think we should leave the EU:
• Boris Johnson, who probably doesn’t really care either way, but knows he’ll become Prime Minister if the country votes to leave
• A former Secretary of State for Work and Pensions who carried out a brutal regime of cuts to benefits and essential support for the poorest in society as well as the disabled and sick
• That idiot that was Education Secretary and every single teacher in the country hated with a furious passion for the damage he was doing to the education system
• Leader of UKIP
• BNP
• Britain First
• Donald Trump
• Keith Chegwin
• David IckeSo, as I said, if you can’t be bothered to look into the real facts and implications of all this in/out stuff, just pick the list that you most trust and vote that way. It really couldn’t be more simple.
And if you are unsure about leaving, don't."
- Thank Fuck the Prime Minister of Japan thinks we should stay in the EU - PHEW!detritus
- Also, on principal I'd argue against whatever it is the IMF thinks is in 'our' best interest, because it sure as hell isn't.detritus
- it'd be a wonder if the world's politicans didn't think in favour, elsewise it'd be a fairly damning indictment against their raison d'etredetritus
- ^ that was Feench, btw - I'm trés Ooroh.detritus
- < your friend sounds like a wankerkilroii
- lol detritus, yeah pick one voice out of thousands you don't like and have your opinion confirmed ^^ http://gifsec.com/wp…mekk
- http://gifsec.com/wp…mekk
- add Putin to the leave the EU part.sted
- aka. "When German literalism and British self-deprecating humour collide"detritus
- Stephen Fucking Hawking again? Fuck that, I'm out.Ianbolton
- fyi - one of the biggest backers of the IMF, and a founding member, is Britain. Their shit is a supra-EU level of Hell No.detritus
- @detritus - if you know how you want to vote do it... this is aimed at those who cannot be arsed to do any research.fadein11
- @kilroii - it's a quote from something I saw - not my friend (hence the quote marks).fadein11
- I'm sorry - I'm not allowed to comment here? My apologies. Must be one of those secretly-decided EU diktats no one knows about until too late...detritus
- Is Feence in the EU?set
- Of course you can comment! But you have clearly made your mind up - this post was aimed at those who haven't.fadein11
- Imagine the thought. People who would be persuaded and vote based on seeing this post.
I'm moving to Feence.set - Oh? how clearly have I made my mind up? I'll actually be voting stay, begrudgingly, but that's not to say there aren't huge reasons for questioning 'Why?'.detritus
- Isn't this pretty much the definition of an ad hominem argument?yuekit
- @detritus - why all the hostility and anger. I know you are voting remain - you made that clear y'day! calm downfadein11
- I am doing the same begrudgingly (as in I am aware of the problems with the EU but I also know the alternative with Boris as PM is horrific).fadein11
- You said this yesterday too - WHERE is my hostility or anger?! Just because I'm answering literally and not adding smileys, doesn't mean I'm somehow enraged.detritus
- ok fair enough - so used to dealing with 2 crazy people on here ha I lumped you in with them ha (joke)... my apologies.fadein11
- —@:D xxxdetritus
- You totally come across as defensive and offended. But my opinion doesn't count because I view everything in terms of personal offence. Lol that.set
- detritus4
The problem with the whole immigration debate is that EVERYONE in power is fundamentally lying about the issue.
Our economic model is predicated on the assumption that there will alway be an underclass of some sort to pay poorly to do all the shit work 'we' don't want to.
That won't change if we stay, that won't change if we leave.
That underclass is currently made up of comparatively poor immigrants - most of whom now come via the EU, most of whom within that tranche are actually from the EU. 'Most'.
If we leave we'll close off one route for people to come over, but still have a need for people to come over, so the borders will open to people from everywhere else, beyond Europe.
To be crass for a second - there will be more 'brown' people filling that gap than European 'white' people.
This is not what the right wing, the brexiteers, the Farage brigade want. This is not their preferred option, because the immigration debate is obviously an unstated racial and nationalistic one. The face of Britain has changed these last decades and will continue to do so, and no one since Enoch Powell has really engaged in the conversation, for better or worse, 'why' this is happening.
So, these people wanting the 'right sort' of immigration are being delusional by wanting to leave Europe.
Frankly, I think the debate about mass-immigration is important and does need addressing, but it is a super-European debate, it is a fundamental economic philosophical debate and one that no one - NO ONE - wants to go anywhere near.
The whole mess is an intractable knot of shit and is going to get a lot worse whether we stay or whether we go.
- Nicely put. I think this is what I was trying to say earlier. Like you say, this referendum will not bring debate about any of the important subjects.Ianbolton
- I sometimes get those sociopathic ideas about leaving to fuck everything up, to hopefully force more pressing discussionsIanbolton
- downvoted for mention of Enoch Powellfadein11
- You are kidding, I hope?detritus
- nope - what are you on about - noone has engaged with immigration? 1. Enoch Powell was a total racist scumbag. 2. Farage has engaged with it on a daily basisfadein11
- for the last 5 years.fadein11
- I can't think how a response could have more ruthlessly efficiently have made my point for me, thanks Fadein.detritus
- Perhaps actually read what I wrote, and try and understand it. Perhaps read all of what Powell actually wrote, not what you've had distilled to you.detritus
- chill due - people can disagree. Read Enoch Powell - no thanks. Sorry disagree with what you have said and I have now read it twice.fadein11
- a few too many sweeping statements for me. 1. EU immigrants do not just do the jobs Britsh 'natives' do not want to do. 2. "mass immigration" - what are youfadein11
- referring to here?fadein11
- we are probably on the same side - just disagree with some points made.fadein11
- I'm not sure you can actually disagree because you're misinterpreting what I'm saying and basing your opinion on a misconception. Oh well.detritus
- I get your point but I disagree. Chill your boots.fadein11
- "brown faces" do not come into the immigration debate. We have a long history of asian immigrants who have thrived here. The recent debate and problem withfadein11
- immigrations has been with white Europeans - i.e. Polish for example - arriving and doing a better job for way less money - this angered the average Sun readingfadein11
- white working man - they lost money. Race doesn't come into it - it's economics. I wholeheartedly disagree with this attitude and it is all part of a so calledfadein11
- free market. Have a read of The Buddha of Suburbia if you haven't - gives some great insight into the experiences of immigrants in Britain.fadein11
- I thought the crass 'brown' faces argument was if we left, more non-europeans would be making their way here?Ianbolton
- That's exactly what detritus just said?set
- Wolfboy3
One of the key points for me during this whole debate was when Michael Gove (cunt) said:
“People in this country have had enough of experts”
Yes, don't listen to what the fucking egg heads are saying my little plebs, vote from your gut and remember how nasty anyone who is slightly different to you is.
I personally prefer to listen to those that have more information. This is worth 25 mins of anyone's time, especially if you're still undecided:
This (stinking) expert has also got some interesting things to say about immigration:
- < thisfadein11
- Was going to post this vid. Essential viewing if undecided. Finally, a fucking expert is able to speak.LukeO
- You mean like the experts who put together the entire European project without democratic consensus? Such criticism's a two-way street...detritus
- or like the expert, Tusk, who recently stated that other experts have been living with their head in the clouds?
http://bit.ly/1UgdLD…detritus - I do agree with you that Gove is a cunt though. Wholeheartedly. I know politics shouldn't be about personality, but fuck him, Johnson, Farage, Cameron. All dem.detritus
- for the record, I think it's ridiculous we're allowed to vote on this subject at all—it should be in the hands of apolitical experts, philosophers, economists..detritus
- ^ yep blame the idiot Cameron for that.fadein11
- @detritus,I completely agree with you about the referendum in general. The man on the street is just not well read enough to make decisions on this.Wolfboy
- But in general, I do trust people who speak in more than sound bites on topics such as this. The TV debates with the various politicians and the coverage in...Wolfboy
- ...the ridiculous UK press has been of no use to help make an informed choice. It could be argued that the guy in the video has a bias, but his points are...Wolfboy
- ...more than just an attempt to squeeze the words 'take back control' into every sentence.Wolfboy
- uan2
100 good voting!
is it voluntary in the UK or do you have to go?
- voluntary for sure...weird thinking of me this morning.uan
- Yea if you don't vote they turn up at your door wielding axes and polling papersset
- Failure to participate in democracy means you get put onto a watch list and your movements / habits are monitored for deviant behavior.face_melter
- If you don't vote, you get a personally-written letter of thanks from Mr Cameron.detritus
- lowimpakt1
the issue with migration is obviously complex.
the 2015 net figure of 333,000 is a record high and actually dropped at the start of 2016.
This "net migration" figures occured while immigration didn't increase significantly. The net was high because there was a drop in emigration.
Obviously other complexities arise with the breakdown. E.g. some are EU (roughly 180,000 of the 330,000 were EU citizens) some are students, returning ex pats, some are EU and some are non EU.
Pricks like Farage say the UK has no control of its borders. This is not entirely true because EU citizens fall under EU rules whereas the UK has a higher level of self control over non-EU citizens.
- around 40% are students.fadein11
- 40%? rly?
"london is the third largest city of hungary" as we used to say :)sted - That's true. I have to get Schengen Visa to travel in Europe but UK has its' separate visa application system. So a Greek visa will let me in Holland but not UKBeeswax
- Although isn't Farages' point that if UK decides to remain that they will have to abide by EU immigration quotas?IRNlun6
- there's no quota. Farage is presenting an image on non-EU migrants and claiming these are governed by the same rules as EU citizens. lies and propagandalowimpakt
- unless you are talking about refugee quota? which is a separate issue than regular migrationlowimpakt
- the international rules that govern treatment of refugees are above the EU. UK pledged to take 20,000 syrians fleeing warlowimpakt
- Ah ok, I thought it was the EU that set refugee quota. Will refugees be granted citizenship in their host countries?IRNlun6
- I'm reading that the EU does have a refugee quota, but Britain is exempt. What a complete cluster fuck this refugee crisis is to the EU...IRNlun6
- The UK has lots of exceptions. on refugee status, the UK is exempt from EU rule on permanently resident refugee. here's uk approach https://www.gov.uk/s…lowimpakt
- it's also not straightforward to get oneself classified as a refugeelowimpakt
- sorry, here's link to UK rules i.e.e not citizenship https://www.gov.uk/s…lowimpakt
- thanks lowimpaktIRNlun6
- Fax_Benson1
- unbelievablefadein11
- it's almost as though he's using the referendum to further his own political career.Fax_Benson
- yes he did say it... jesus
http://www.telegraph…fadein11 - Johnson should be destroyed. A genuinely terrible human being.face_melter
- is that really how he wears his hair?monNom
- trump's hair without the hair spraydrgs
- kingkong0
The main question is what is 'the EU' and where is it going? (great info graphic in the feed btw)
definitions.
1. A geographical area that has created a trading block to make trade easier and to protect the economies within the trading block.
2. A geographical area that is the above with the economic instruments to manage the supply and demand of labour and markets - free movement of people etc.
3. A political union with shared government apparatus as well as the above.
4. The above with a shared judicial layer, to harmonise laws and values across said 'block'
5. A united states of Europe. Central Government, regional authority.
When we last voted (1975) we voted for No1 - We are now between 4 or 5.
As a committed European, I just can't stand this faceless army of eurocrats that are pretty unaccountable.
There was a great quote on Question Time last week in the UK. "The sovereignty of this nation is not the politicians of this country to give away - but to protect".
To many politicians act like it's their to give away.
I honestly think, you are either in big for it or your not.
Like 70% in - in a referendum it should be 65/70% to change the constitution of a country.
When the Scottish referendum happened a lot of people said it was crazy to allow 51% to win.
Insanity. It should be a collective will. a Movement of the majority people.
This is all going down party lines. the result will be 50 something vs 50 something.
shouldn't change a direction of a people over a few % points.
Which gets me to another point.
The other issue that ERKS is that the argument for staying in is that The Eu is a 'good' force. A Socialist, egalitarian, progressive movement against the forces of capitalism and self-interest.
Bollox.
People think that this is about some home county tories vs. the urban left.
It isn't
the people that have lost the most from the EU are the working classes of Europe.
Never before in modern history have we had unemployment like we have now.
Never before has a policy (freedom of movement) done so much to compress wage inflation.
It's the very fucking capitalists many here despise that have benefited the most out of this current arrangement.
There are no human rights that the EU have that are better than the Magna Carta.
The EU has not invented Google, etc or innovated in any area of industry whatsoever.
It is a stifling, muddling bunch of unequal countries trying to make it work.
It's fucked.
Anyone, anyone who thinks the EU is a good thing - go talk to a Greek - The way they dealt with a sovereign nation was so disgraceful - in many ways worse that Putin.
IT, the EU, hates free enterprise, and capitalism - but equally it hates the left, the socialist.
It's a technocratic lobby group that creates nothing, improves nothing and hasn't turned the world most economically productive area into something bigger than the sum of its parts.
GET THE FUCK OUT.
rant out.
- maybe the ballot paper will have the question 'what is the EU and where is it going?' - with a spare page for your notes.Fax_Benson
- * it won't.
it's in or outFax_Benson - DO THE HOKEY-COKEY!detritus
- Yeh thanks for that ;) - out for mekingkong
- no worries - glad to help. I'm off to straighten out the US election thread.Fax_Benson
- what shared judicial layer lol.
our government laughs how the eu is trying to execute regulations against corruption, one-sided media, and
eastern influence.sted - Greece lied to the EU about budget deficits on various occasions leading up to their crashlowimpakt
- Hope u support nigel farageHayoth
- mekk1
You Idiots
- blame the 52%. I was in the 48%.fadein11
- i blame the fucking europeans - they should have made a better system, one that didn't piss the 52% offhans_glib
- which europeans do you blame?oey
- The Germans, naturally.detritus
- @hans_glib - lol - the referendum was called not to appease the people, but to appease rebels in the tory party... ffs - so many fools.fadein11
- Ianbolton0
Can anyone just remind me why we're having this fucking referendum in the first place? All this bullshit is just wasting my time and causing me to think about stuff I can't really be arsed with right now.
- because politicians aren't real people.detritus
- because cunts are still running the worldkingsteven
- because that pig worrier Cameron had to use every last dirty trick and desperate measure to gain the weak Tory government he ended up with.Wolfboy
- well that went well for him, didn't it?hans_glib
- FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCKIanbolton
- kingkong0
I could write something, but I think this says it all:
A world of opportunity is waiting for a fully independent Britain. This country is a leading economic power, its language is global, its laws are trusted and its reputation for fair dealing is second to none. To say we cannot thrive free of the EU’s constraints is defeatist and flies in the face of this country’s great mercantile traditions.
Indeed, so fragile is this political construct that the departure of one of its members, and especially one as big as the UK, threatens to trigger terminal instability. And why is that? If this were a robust democratic institution, underpinned by a thriving economy and a content and happy citizenry then Britain’s withdrawal should have no impact at all. Of course, if it were such a utopia then we wouldn’t be having a discussion about leaving in the first place; but it isn’t.
- My friend worked for Enfield Council but left because it was like the Portlandia comedy. She couldnt finish any projects, they just had endless meetings.Dillinger
- This is modern Britain, progressive liberal hellDillinger
- is Enfield Council more efficient now?Fax_Benson
- Ah the good old torygraphfadein11
- Enfield is a joke as are the rest, full lefty marxist moronsDillinger
- so her leaving didn't help? not sure what your point is.Fax_Benson
- The point is that Dillinger is a swivel-eyed goon who sees The Red Menace in almost every facet of modern life.face_melter
- Tell me what the EU's "constraints" are.Chimp
- "Indeed, so fragile is this political construct that the departure of one of its members, and especially one as big as the UK, " - and the Scotland?Chimp
- Ianbolton2
- LOL! Ignorance...oey
- Poor RupertIanbolton
- well, he got the money. I wonder if a common citizen can have the same experience as he has. he speas like if he's the norm.oey
- like everyone could do the same. people that take this seriously are very distant, in their minds, from their actual standing in society.oey
- this wants me wanna pukeoey
- It's possible to to live a very good life by taking the opposite stance on everything that the 'Sun says'. A very good life indeed.Wolfboy
- detritus0
I'm guessing you're trying to be amusing or humourous, mekk - if so, perhaps you'll want us to stay in Europe, because that those two witless gurgitations were about as funny as dogshit on my shoe. As far as I'm aware, the one thing us Island Monkeys are liked for over in Germany is our sense of humour, for better or worse.
If you are being serious, perhaps it's that sort of snooty arrogance that people in Britain react to and want no part of? I know that it's riled me and I'm very pro-Europe, if not particularly pro-EU.
Whatever - your country needs the EU a lot more than the UK needs the EU, so enjoy ... I guess? Sounds like we're not wanted beyond being a customer for your agglomerated industries, so I'm sure we'll happily add on tariffs to reduce the benefit to you. I'm sure there are a few other countries in the EU who'd love to do the same...
- I was a bit serious but yes, I want UK to stay. EU invested Billions, why should you even be able to just opt out and take the money with you?mekk
- The 'EU' invested billions? Pray tell, who or what are the EU and where did they get their money from?detritus
- you're not doing a great job of convincing people to stay, mekkFax_Benson
- the 3rd world war begins with this thread. Ironically the sides are similar to 1st and 2nd wars. Germany is against all, Russia might be on their side, US willBeeswax
- decide later on to get involved or not. And I will be eating my popcorn on the shores of Aegean.Beeswax
- @Fax_Benson, convincing people over political stuff on the internet is pretty much impossible, so I don't even try. Everyone has his own truth and nothing else.mekk
- Your posts really were about as funny as contracting HIV.set
- ^ Is it the jews again?mekk
- You Germans just can't let the war and what you did in it go, can you?
(that was a joke, btw)detritus
- Fax_Benson2
it's all gone Chris Morris on the Thames
- http://twitter.com/j…Bluejam
- Seriously, why didn't someone commission a Day Today/Brasseye referendum special?Bluejam
- ha, yeahFax_Benson
- Partridge, you wanker
https://pbs.twimg.co…Fax_Benson - hahahah, been watching it unfold on twitter, fantastic.kingsteven
- lowimpakt0
what happens if Wales, Scotland, England or NI vote in a majority that is not consistent with the overall majority? could that lead to the break up of the UK?
I imagine it would be harder to govern in that context
- Scotland already said they will have a new independence referendum if they are dragged out of the EUchrisRG
- Scotland? The Scotland that proclaimed its non-existence as a country just two years ago?shaft
- the vote doesn't work like that - it's a simple leave or remain vote across all british citizens - not split like that.fadein11
- http://www.telegraph…chrisRG
- I was replying to lowimpakt.fadein11
- sorry fadein11, I was replying to shaftchrisRG
- sorry chris, i was replying to...oey
- Reply McReplyfacelowimpakt
- sofakingback0
I feel like this is a perfect opportunity for American QBN Members to give their uneducated opinion on your european politics. Seeing as we have zero understanding of the issue or how it would even effect your daily lives.
- << That was a troll-esk post, feel free to delete. I was trying to be funny. :)sofakingback
- we all have our stupid momentsfadein11
- You still have an old rich family you pay your taxes too, you call them King and Queen. Very old fashion thinking. You're right, don't understand that at all...robotron3k
- lol - no King in these parts - and we pay our taxes to the state not the Royal family.fadein11
- your nation allows people to buy assault rifles to 'protect' themselves... all countries have their old fashioned ways eh.fadein11
- a civil society like UK doesn't decapitate/burn/ or sodomize their kings/dictators/rule... they let them be and ask them to get out of the way.hotroddy
- Im a total shit for this post. I apologize to my QBN brothers and sisters.sofakingback
- HA! As if we haven't waded into the Trump/Sanders/Clinto... debacleProjectile