Flight 4U9525
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- BusterBoy-1
Looks like the pilot had a history of mental health issues.
- source?instrmntl
- http://www.theage.co…BusterBoy
- Hard to screen for that kind of issue though I suppose.BusterBoy
- Beeswax-1
How come he was breating calmly until the impact?
I mean even if you decide to commit suicide don't you get nervous a bit?
Also why would he steadily lower the plane instead of diving down?- I'm guessing unconciousmarychain
- Yeah...I know suicide/murder is a "better" story...whatevermarychain
- unconciously lock the door and unconciously activated the descent plan that can be activated only by a human?benfal99
- Oh, I didn't know you were a pilot benfal. I am...please tell me moremarychain
- He wasn't unconsciousfadein11
- the door locks automatically and can only be opened from the inside, benfal the pilot.set
- they explain and shows a video explaining all this in the news over herebenfal99
- sarahfailin0
The co-pilot had only a few hundred hours of logged fly time, locked the pilot out of the cabin and set the door so that it could not be opened from the outside-- a security feature added to planes post-9/11.
- utopian0
- DELIBERATE!CygnusZero4
- its responsive too :/CygnusZero4
- Ugh, CNN is despicable.nb
- lolz showing the bodies wrapped up. stay classyCygnusZero4
- That's disgusting CNNkona
- kona0
This is why I only Rollerblade
- http://i00.i.aliimg.…detritus
- ^
All the hobo-killing equipment you'll ever need.detritus - lol konaiCanHazQBN
- someones going to tell you flying is safer lolCygnusZero4
- CygnusZero40
I know the statistics say its safer than driving, so why the hell am I still so terrified to fly? Because this giant super heavy unnatural machine is being pushed off the ground by a couple engines. Or youre in a copter or smaller plane being propelled along by something spinning really fast.
It doesnt matter that major airline crashes are rare, in my mind its still much more dangerous. I feel like the chances are better at something major failing during takeoff than anytime I get in my little car to roll around.
- I think it has do with the illusion of control. You're not active in controlling the plane, you feel in control of the car. It's psychological.nb
- Plus, a minor problem on a plane could mean death. A minor problem with your car is not going to kill you. I can understand the fear. But, fuck it, dude!nb
- All feelings, not based on fact. It's just like any other fear. It's not easy to get over but it's possible.Jaline
- Well I do fly. Im not one of these people that wont just bc of my fear of it.CygnusZero4
- But Im not sure Ill ever really feel its safer.CygnusZero4
- Also doesnt help I knew someone on swissair 111. Rich Coburn.CygnusZero4
- "a minor problem on a plane could mean death. A minor problem with your car is not going to kill you." exactly, it's not all irrational fear ;)Jaline
- I don't trust the self-belaying device in the rock climbing place I go to. Would rather have a person in charge of my fate, hahaJaline
- OMG fuck those auto belays. There's no tension!dorkKn1ght
- nb0
The argument that flying is safer than driving is generally based on distance travelled. So, if you compare, say, a million Kilometres travelled by car against a million KMs travelled by air, you'd find that more people died in car accidents than died in an airplane crashes. It makes it appear as though flying is much safer.
But, that isn't exactly a fair comparison because people travel much further, much faster and less often by plane. The further the trip, the more likely someone is to fly, as well. And obviously, for transatlantic or transpacific travel, flying is the only option. This skews the numbers.
The bigger thing that skews it, I think, is differences in driving that could change how these statistics apply to you. For deaths in cars, there are a few factors that increase the odds of dying. The biggest contributors are speeding (by far), fatigue, not wearing a seatbelt, distracted driving, and alcohol impairment. So, you can actually improve your odds of dying in a vehicle by being a safe driver and wearing your seatbelt. Of course you can't control others, but you would absolutely reduce your odds of dying in an accident by being a safe driver. I'd bet if you look at the statistics of "safe" drivers (actual safe drivers, not people who think they are so good at driving that they can speed or talk on the phone when they want) you'd find that driving is relatively safe. And what about how far you drive, and where you need to go? Many people commute daily on highways where the speed is 110km/h or greater. Personally, my commute is in a city where traffic and roads ensure I’m never capable of driving over 60km/h, and the vast majority of the trip is starting/stopping between 0km/h and 30km/h. It’s quite difficult to die in a car at slow speeds unless someone hits you doing much faster. But, it’s unlikely to see anyone able to get to those fast speeds in a city where commuting means traffic jams and slow driving. Stay away from freeways, because it’s hard to die in a crash when you’re going slow.
In an airplane, you don't have the option to improve your own personal odds. The odds are basically the same for everyone on every flight, other than flying in the summer vs winter, and where you choose to fly (e.g., flying over mountains might be more dangerous, not sure). Virtually every airline in every country now follows the same type of training and safety practices. Eg. Two pilots required to act as a “check” against each other at all times, similar safety checks, similar training, similar rules about fatigue, etc. This has been standardized since about the early 90s, I think, when many countries wanted to improve their safety records to remain competitive in air travel. And you can be sure that when a plane crashes, everyone has their seatbelt and is folded over in the correct position in an attempt to save themselves.
So, airplane deaths happen despite the fact that everyone is always doing everything in the safest way possible. Vehicle death probability varies greatly with driver choices.
It's a global standardization, which skews everything, too. If we look at regional automobile deaths, we find massive differences when comparing two regions: for example comparing an area of India against Sweden. What I'm saying here is: if you happen to live to Sweden and never drive in India, the global driving statistics aren't relevant to you.
TLDR: driving is probably a little safer than flying on a per trip basis. And driving is especially safer if you're a safe, alert, well-practiced driver, and you happen to be driving in a region that has fewer automobile deaths than the global average.
- meh - I would hate to have to have dinner or drinks with you.fadein11
- did you really waste your time posting this?PonyBoy
- "don't have the shellfish"
"oh fuck off and let me enjoy my dinner"fadein11 - lolz downvoted. person probably didnt even read what you wrote.CygnusZero4
- @ponyboy - yep it looks that way.fadein11
- I fell out of the sky reading all that.detritus
- This is the kind of answer that would get hundreds of upvotes on Redditdjmix
- Oh, I fly all the time, I don't care if it's safe or not. I love travelling, I'm not going to sit around in one city because of a statistic!nb
- I ride a motorbike as my main transportation in the summer. I don't care much about safety. Motorbikes are fun. So is flying.nb
- Flying is NOT fun any more.
Signed,
Someone who flew a lot in the 80sdetritus - People who think flying is fun are people who probably get on a plane just once every 2 years.iCanHazQBN
- I fly almost every month, the "fun" part is being able to jump on a plane & arrive in a new climate or completely different culture the same day. Never gets oldnb
- TL:DRETM
- nb0
I think driving is safer.
- marychain3
Awful lot of jumping to conclusions here.
- sorry http://i.imgur.com/6…juanluisgarcia
- we're not jumping to anything. It's in the news manbenfal
- lol benfal
face to the palmset - for set: read this http://www.bbc.co.uk… based on factsbenfal
- yeah, but we don't KNOW what the pilot did or did not do intentionally benfal.marychain
- The term "appears to" is used a lot in your own source...so lets calm down.marychain
- ben-witset
- set-wit?benfal
- Set-wit~
Vast capacity for inventive thought and quick understanding; keen intelligence.set
- djmix-3
I would agree until recently. Now it seems like every day another plane crash.
What are the best alternatives to traveling by plane?
- you can always buy a bike
or take the odds of flying with a suicidal pilot
http://en.wikipedia.…georgesIII - https://www.youtube.…set
- you can always buy a bike
- Ianbolton0
still safer than driving folks. Don't ever forget that
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--------------------ORAZAL - Statistically safer than taking the train and I take the train every day without giving it a second thought. Flying scares me though.set
- 100% more traumatic and tragic for the family than a car crashbenfal
- Yea family members dying in a car crash is smooth sailing compared to a plain...
-_-set - PLANEset
- /sarcasmset
- we expect car crash. people dont expect plane crash. it struck the imagination way morebenfal99
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- Morning_star0
Details of the final 30mins via the black box recorders:
- scaryRamanisky2
- I hope he rot in Hellbenfal
- Well...there's no such thing so....marychain
- necromation0
Sounds bad... But i'm just glad it's not a black guy or a Muslim... Imaging if he was a black muslim.
"Yes, hello... i would like to book tickets for me and my family for your first Mars flight... Yes, i have reason to believe things are about to go 'south' literally"
- instrmntl0
Col. Mustard with the lead pipe.
- ernexbcn0
The cabin door can be opened with a password/number combination from outside, unless the door is blocked manually from inside.
What I'm reading on the newspapers is that the co-pilot used that lock mechanism as soon as the pilot left the cabin and also disabled the auto-pilot. That's why the french authorities believe this was intentional.
- CygnusZero40
Im not jumping to conclusions. Locking the door behind the pilot when he goes to drop a deuce is normal. Maybe with some very bad timing, something happened to the copilot during that time and he fell on the switch.
Whats odd is when someone uses a plane to commit suicide, like the egpyptair flight, they put it into a steep dive. But this was a much slower decent. Could have been smoke in the cockpit or medical emergency. They said the co pilot was only heard breathing on the recording.
They havent even found the data recorder yet so I just think they should hold off on making a judgement when we know for a fact they dont have all of the facts yet.
- there's an emergency procedure to open the door from outside but it can be blocked from inside and it apparently wasernexbcn
- the co-pilot also disabled the auto-pilot as soon as the other guy left the cabinernexbcn
- Not saying it wasnt deliberate, but bottom line is they dont have all of the data right now.CygnusZero4
- and he was breathing normally while the people outside were trying to open the door, he simply decided to shut up and waiternexbcn
- Do you have an animated gif proving this? lol jkCygnusZero4
- It's in the recordings, Cygnusmonospaced
- yep all in the recordings - he was fine until the end.fadein11