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- Milan0
I'm currently learning Craft CMS, love it so far
- microkorg0
Magento is a good thing to learn.
Good magento devs are hard to come by.
- rabbit0
I work exclusively in WP and Drupal.
I would recommend learning WP, then when you use Drupal you will be like WOW. Drupal fucking ROCKS. lol.
Drupal is awesome, WP is awesome.
- Why learn only WP? That is like targeting only males for some product? Learn both, double your income potential?rabbit
- I've used Drupal, it's double the learning curve. I agree, both would be kind of great to know inside outbklyndroobeki
- I have never had a client request for Drupal - if I did I may leanr it.fadein11
- fadein110
Really to say Wordpress jobs are $100 - $300 is just plain stupid.
I have done Wordpress jobs from £500 (v.basic bought theme setup) - £20K (custom theme, heavy customisation, complex port of data from Joomla) - thats 2 of us working on a project - not a team. There is plenty of money to be made form Wordpress. And for me as a designer / front end coder - it opened up a whole new revenue stream - me doing the CMS (on small - medium jobs) not having to pay a programmer to write or use a complex CMS. And as designers we all know the pain of workiing with back end devs sometimes - think they are the messiah often and have you over a barrel because only they know the stuff. Wordpress and similar changed all that.- just finished a site for 16kbklyndroobeki
- fadein, damn you just called my recent experience working with a dev. figuring i can DIY since i have a grip on a lot already.bklyndroobeki
- what does "have you over a barrel" mean? is that a Brit saying?bklyndroobeki
- < yep - similar to 'hold you to ransom'fadein11
- pango0
Any source to learn that stuffs?
i need to start learn that stuffs now... :(
also some basic coding :(- Code Academy?ArmandoEstrada
- Anything that holds my hand and does everything?pango
- bklyndroobeki0
^ working w/ a team?
- Me (code) + 1 Designer (owner).ArmandoEstrada
- did the same here too.bklyndroobeki
- ArmandoEstrada0
We are wrapping up a site, lots of customization, $30k.
- please share the link, I'd love to see itformed
- Launches 2 weeks.ArmandoEstrada
- Yep - I have just finished a £20K site - launching soon. Me and one other dev. Loads of custom stuff but not that much, mainfadein11
- bit was porting data from Joomla form their old - well not main but a big part of job.fadein11
- formed0
I think it's a good decision. WP has a real hold on the market and I think we are only seeing the beginning of possibilities.
If you can really customize things, the possibilities are pretty good. You can make some amazing stuff and still have that backend.
I do know that finding someone that is really good, that can customize things with an eye for detail, is rare thing and would be very valuable. I interviewed and reviewed dozens and dozens of WP programmers before hiring one (many promise, tons of crap out there, very few "good" programmers).
- bklyndroobeki0
super encouraging. will report back in a few mos.
- vaxorcist0
WP can make simpler things even simpler, but if you are building larger applications, it may make things difficult to embed your app within wordpress.
- nb0
- nocomply0
I should also add, to me WordPress is just a tool for achieving a client's end goals - a tool I happen to be very comfortable with.
In terms of making a living off of WordPress, I think a lot of it also comes down to communicating with clients, listening to them, and understanding and solving their problems.
Those are necessary skills no matter what language or framework you're working with, and those skills will stick with you for life.
- I agree with everything you have said in these 2 comments - well said.fadein11
- nocomply0
Specializing and narrowing your services is a good thing. I've more or less restricted all of my development work to WordPress over the past couple of years.
Don't let the people who tell you a WordPress site costs $300 scare you. There's plenty of money to be made, but you gotta have the skills, the confidence, and the right clients.
I've been working with WordPress for literally 7 or 8 years now and I'm still working on it.
Lot's of what you'll learn through WordPress will be applicable to other languages, CMS's, and frameworks as well. If you're interested in technology and programming, it'll be easy to shift your focus from WordPress to something else if and when the time comes. Just stay hungry and keep learning.
As mentioned above, WordPress currently powers over 20% of the web. Whatever is going to replace it will need to have an easy way to migrate WordPress installations over to this new system.
- renderedred0
I work with WP for something like 10 years already. Some valid points mentioned here. Rather study PHP/MySQL + CSS + JS if you can, then it doesn't matter which CMS you work with. Most WP sites I built are low budget simple template sites. Once in a very long while I get to work on a bigger or more interesting site based on WP. On the other hand, WP is a major CMS. I think it does depend a lot where you live and the market there. When I find myself explaining the difference between WIX and WP, you know, it's not really fun...
- Really not much need for studying mySQL these days - terrible advice (unless creating the CMS not using it)fadein11
- so you haven't used custom queries in WP ever, i see...renderedred
- yep but custom queries are not SQL language - just PHP.fadein11
- estetic0
I would concentrate on learning html,css,js, and php if you don't already have a good handle on those areas.
If you understand those parts you can work your way through any of the php based CMS's. I don't see devoting 6 months to only wordpress as a smart move - if you know PHP it shouldn't even take that long.
Beyond that - take a look at Craft as your goto CMS. Lots of buzz at the moment and awesome to work with.
- he's not a fulltime developer so focussing on one CMS makes way more sense.fadein11
- organicgrid0
Wordpress developers are a dime a dozen.
I currently pay between $150-$300 for a Wordpress website. I know plenty of developers charging under $100 per theme. There is no money to be made in Wordpress development unless you have a dozen new clients per month, you are working on extremely large and complicated WP projects, or you live in a third-world country.Either way...best of luck.
- wow - you have the wrong clients - my Wordpress sites are 20 x that minimumfadein11
- out of interest what websites do you make money on?fadein11
- lol @ $100 theme from India. Good luck with that.fadein11
- organic... you can't be serious w/those prices... ??PonyBoy
- fuck off with those Mickey Mouse prices. Shitty Wordpress developers are a dime a dozen, good ones are notMilan
- fadein110
Sounds like a good plan - it isn't going anywhere and always being improved - plus the more you know about it the more you can customise it - it will do anything you need nowadays and suits 90% of projects.
Ignore the chat about all sites looking the same - thats just lazy designers / developers - a Wordpress theme can look like anything on the web and be fully content managed.
Good luck with your learning - if you have some coding experience you won't find it hard - I still have a lot to learn but have really enjoyed learning it so far - v.logical and makes sense to my non programmer brain.
- fate0
Fuck Drupal, don't pay attention to it.