Bill Nye VS Ken Ham Live
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- dbloc
This oughta be interesting
http://debatelive.org/
- dbloc0
Creationism Vs. Evolution
- capn_ron0
watching this now. should be fun.
- Naygon0
Ken Ham uses a Mac. Where is your god now?
- My whole world just went up in flames.ArmandoEstrada
- it's a product of intelligent designJosev
- scarabin0
Ham believes that the Universe was created about 6,000 years ago, and that Noah's flood occurred about 4,500 years ago in the year 2348 BC.[25] He believes that the animals carried on Noah's ark produced the biological diversity observed on Earth. Ham also believes that dinosaurs co-existed with modern humans. He supports his view with biblical scripture.[26] Ham accepts that natural selection can give rise to a number of species from an original population.[27]
Ham questions the reliability of radiometric dating, a technique used to date objects such as moon rocks, fossils and human artifacts.[28] Since 1989, Ham has frequently made the comment, "Were you there?" regarding the origins of life and evolution,[29] implying that knowledge of unwitnessed events requires direct observation rather than inference. Talk.origins responded that the evidence for evolution "was there" and asserted the necessity to continue scientific inquiry with the claim being made that "If this response were a valid challenge to evolution, it would equally invalidate creationism and Christianity, since they are based on events that nobody alive today has witnessed".[30]
Ham believes that there is a difference between facts themselves and their interpretation. "Creationists and evolutionists, Christians and non-Christians, all have the same evidence—the same facts. Think about it: we all have the same earth, the same fossil layers, the same animals and plants, the same stars—the facts are all the same. The difference is in the way we all interpret the facts. And why do we interpret facts differently? Because we start with different presuppositions; these are things that are assumed to be true without being able to prove them. These then become the basis for other conclusions. All reasoning is based on presuppositions (also called axioms). This becomes especially relevant when dealing with past events."[31]
Ham's beliefs and tactics have been criticized by other Christians and old Earth creationists. Answers in Creation, an old Earth creationist website, has called Ham willfully ignorant of evidence for an old earth, and said that he "deliberately misleads" his audiences on matters of both science and theology.[32] Astronomer Hugh Ross, a progressive creationist, has debated Ham and other Answers In Genesis staff[33] regarding the compatibility of an old Earth with the Bible.[34] BioLogos has also responded to Ken Ham's criticisms of its viewpoint.[35]
- freedom0
That guy was creepy as fuck in Religulous.
- freedom0
Ken Ham really must believe it.
- ZOOP0
Just a small dissection of Ham's statements; he says you can't prove anything if you weren't there to observe it, and then goes on to say he built part of the ark (exhibited in his museum) using triple layers of wood to make the hull water-tight, yet he was never there and never saw such a vessel. Hypocritical creationist is hypocritical.
- Nye could have torn Ham a new one on many subjects, but as I stated his debating skills suck monster balls. :/ZOOP
- Ham claims to believe the bible literally yet wasn't there to observe a single fucking thing. Scam artist at work.ZOOP
- Kentucky's neighbor state in 1925 had this to offer http://en.wikipedia.…ZOOP
- scarabin0
"there are trees older than you think the earth is". lol.
nye showed remarkable restraint considering the absurdity of ham's statements and his constant dodging of questions. it was a textbook christian argument. the same logical fallacies, the same redefining of terms to suit his purposes (the entire historical science vs observational science bullshit), the same canned responses ("visit the website! lol", "it's in the bible!")...
- all the while failing to note the many additions and removals of content from the bible over time. weakZOOP
- scarabin0
ham's entire stance was built behind the fragile "observational science" wall, which is so weak it's laughable. i can't believe how seriously he takes himself
- ZOOP0
Some scientists were critical of Nye for agreeing to debate the head of a Christian ministry that is dismissive of evolution.
Jerry Coyne, a professor of ecology and evolution at the University of Chicago, wrote on his blog that "Nye's appearance will be giving money to organizations who try to subvert the mission Nye has had all his life: science education, particularly of kids." Coyne pointed out that the Creation Museum will be selling DVDs of the event.
Ham said there were hundreds of thousands of visitors to his Facebook page Tuesday, and the Creation Museum hasn't had the spotlight shined on it like this since its opening in May 2007.
http://www.king5.com/news/local/…
Thanks Bill, you science whore.
- freedom0
People really believe Noah had lemurs, pandas, poison dart frogs, etc on his boat?
- don't forget the insects ;-)ZOOP
- esp. mutha effin poison dart frizzogs, yeah!prophetone
- <lolsea_sea
- Polar bears, penguins...ETM
- freedom0
I didn't know the appendix had a function.
- neither did medical science until recently, which is kinda fucked upZOOP
- ridiculous, biologists have known it has a function forevermonospaced