RIP FlashForward
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- detritus0
Went to check the Flash version on my wee Linux-using laptop earlier as I couldn't access Vimeo videos on it, to be confronted with a message saying that the current release will be the last one for Linux.
Not that Linux is the lion's share of the consumer PC market, but that doesn't really bode very well for Flash... not even its mid-term.
- jhey0
- doesnotexist0
flash is the reason we have "best practices" for "where and how to place your navigation menu" and other equally exciting topics.
- tbf, that's more to do with that rancid cumnugget, Jakob Nielsen.detritus
- SteveZissou0
^ Yeah almost TWO DECADES after the release of Flash we can now do *almost* the same with HTML&JS
- Not even almost. You hardly ever see anything that looks close to what Flash did easilyCyBrainX
- I'd say it's far surpassed it nowanimatedgif
- animatedgif0
Almost 2014
Amazing open web technologies that integrate with regular HTML seamlesslyand people still claim that we were better off with Flash controlled by 1 company who outsourced everything to India and stopped caring or even trying to improve their software years ago.
- sine0
the should change the name to FlashBack. lol. get it? FlashBack...
- Continuity0
It's almost 2014, and there's a thread debating the merits of Flash again?
- ernexbcn0
@CyBrainX if it was so great on Android why the fuck did Adobe discontinued it? they gave up man. Face reality and move on.
- They gave up because the writing was on the wall with Apple.CyBrainX
- That's total bullshit Cy... it was ONE PHONE, that's it. If Flash was good on mobile, it would have found a way to work.monospaced
- There were hundreds of phones that wanted it, and millions of users. Adobe fucked them all.monospaced
- CyBrainX0
^ Or Steve Jobs told everyone this so he could prevent people from developing sites that would take his App Store revenue away. We never saw Flash on iPhones. I don't think this was a problem on Android. Also, we're talking about 2008 when HTML5 was no where. Not that it's significantly better now. If Flash continued to develop it's mobile side do you really think it would still be a battery drain?
- so you admit it was because Adobe didn't continue development... therefore you can't blame Applemonospaced
- nb0
Hombre_Lobo: "If someone chops a tree down using a nail file, is the result better than someone who used a saw?"
Your argument isn't considering the actual situation.
If Apple let Flash run on the phone, it would kill the battery (and maybe overheat? There's no fan in a phone!) and everyone would have kept buying Blackberries because the iPhone would have had shitty battery life. This is because Flash can often be (not always, but often) a resource hog.
It takes a lot of careful calculation and precision to release a mobile phone that is more expensive, nearly a decade behind in public adoption, PLUS is missing one of the most widely used technologies on the web, and still have that phone succeed. Not only succeed but essentially eliminate the competition.
Pretty impressive move for Apple. So what if we took a step back in terms of the functionality of the web? Two steps forward, one step back. It's the way progress happens.
- kind of agree apart from the eliminate the competition BS.fadein11
- Ghostschool0
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- Ghostschool0
- sorry - got the wrong festival I thought you meant - fotb!Ghostschool
- ernexbcn0
Flash was a resource hog that had no place in this world anymore. Don't blame it on Apple, blame it on Adobe not being able to do a proper mobile version of the god damned plugin. They even gave up trying with Android.
The web doesn't need a "standard" owned by 1 company.
- Jobs said he wasn't adopting it because "the future is open source."boobs
- not entirely, he also asked Adobe to provide an effective version of the plugin that did not kill the batteryernexbcn
- Adobe couldn't deliver, neither on Android and they finally gave upernexbcn
- Who cares what Jobs said? It was just ONE FUCKING PHONE. There were hundreds of others that DID support it.monospaced
- Chill them beans fan boyHombre_Lobo
- It's quite simple that one phone can change stuff. Apples influence was bigger than the average users need for flash. Simple.Hombre_Lobo
- ok_not_ok0
- i would love to see a new book with all the same people "where are they now" stylefreakpelican
- Hombre_Lobo0
BRING ON DEM ANGRY FLASH HATING FAN BOYS!
- Hombre_Lobo0
But hey! Have you seen this [insert website here] - its an amazing interactive website that was made in html5!! It's great!
Except it's no technically more advanced than flash stuff from 10 years ago.
If someone chops a tree down using a nail file, is the result better than someone who used a saw? Course it isn't. You got there in the end, but it's the same result we've seen for years and it probably took you way longer.
- Hombre_Lobo0
^im so pleased someone else on this forum actually sees how flash is still far superior to current offerings.
Flash had its problems sure, but it still can do so much more than html5 or any other 'pretending to be a flash replacement' technology. How much time do devs waste today and cross browser testing. That's just one of the many awesome things about flash.
It also amazes me in particular that most designers were happy to let a company tell them what web formats they should be viewing.
Our opinion is not shared by many, mostly due to brainwashed clueless fanboys who don't understand web development.
- boobs0
I really think Flash is the best solution to many, many problems on the web. You get the layout and the fonts you specify with Flash. No other technique does those things, really. The only real problem with Flash is that it's not supported on some of the mobile platforms, and that is what killed it.
The HTML5/CSS techniques are not "better" by any stretch of the imagination. Frankly, they aren't nearly as good as Flash. There's an exception, in some browser, to almost anything you try to code with HTML5/CSS. Just about anything you put out is going to break somewhere, some time.
Flash had much better cross-platform consistency. Google had figured out how to search the content, so it works for SEO purposes. Flash was golden until Steve Jobs got a stick up his ass about Adobe.
- Flash is the Betamax of today; superior but not fully supported.ideaist
- Idealist that's a great analogy.Hombre_Lobo
- Not really. Boobs has it completely right. The war is just over. That skinny bastard won.CyBrainX
- totally not true - do more surfing.fadein11
- You can't blame the underdog phone for killing flash.monospaced