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100 Billion Galaxies each W/100 Billion Stars - Carl Sagan
100 Billion Galaxies each W/100 Billion Stars each W/100 Billion Semi Stars- Carl Sagan Sagan
And yet based on your assumed values there is a chance that we are alone not only in whole galaxy but whole universe:
I don't think soGeorgesII
- read the link geniuspr2
- Hey cuntfacemacslappincu... :), what made you ever think other civ would use radio, the whole seti thing is built on stupidityGeorgesII
- ah i forgot i'm talking to a noble prize laureate here...pr2
- A lot of the variables in that equation can not possibly be concrete numbers. It's all a guess if we're alone or not.ifeltdave
we are not alone
This is why atheists are idiots. Not as big of idiots as Creationists but idiots none the less.
- what does this have to do with atheism?cannonball1978
- if anything this make the religious look retardedmonospaced
- "The complexity suggests that there must be a creator!" - Creationists.nb
- "The complexity suggests that there can't be a creator!" - Athiests.nb
- no just absurd to suggest that there is no possibility that someone helped start life on earth_niko
- just as we might start life on Mars one day._niko
- the creator being a higher more advanced life form and not Kirk Cameron's banana making God._niko
- you make no sense niko.inteliboy
- One life form starting another one wouldn't imply a deity. You aren't thinking this through.cannonball1978
- Yeah. One "life" can't be exempt from the process. It's absolutely ridiculous.monospaced
- not a deity but a higher more advanced life form._niko
- The same way islanders in the south pacific made idols in the form of planes when they thought ww2 pilots were gods._niko
- It's all about perception._niko
- The point being is that there are so many worlds out there and potentially life forms way older and way more advanced_niko
- ...than us that they would seem god-like in comparison. Nothing to do with scriptures or a deity in the biblical sense, that's all man made bs_niko
- ...man made BS. And it's not out of the realm of possibility that these higher life forms have the power to create life and even matter._niko
- ...or even matter. Think how far we've come in the past 100 years, and where we'll be in another 100. We are cloning, modifying DNA_niko
- modifying DNA and trying to crack the mystery of life. Imagine a life form that has had a million year head start on us._niko
- they might be so mind bogglingly advanced that they would seem like gods in comparison._niko
- What is a deity is a whole other discussion though. I don't think atheists are idiots btw, but things are never B&W_niko
- An atheist would LOVE to have a natural explanation of God. If anything, this just makes atheists look smarter.monospaced
- And finding a super advanced creator would only make the bible thumpers look more retarded.monospaced
- were probably saying the same thing I hope no one thinks i'm defending bible thumpers._niko
- I thought you were. I guess we are saying the same things.monospaced
- who knows..we could be the more advance beings that you are talking about.dbloc
- you don't know that there is anything more advanced than us..yes it's possible, but who really knows?dbloc
- Your initial lazy assertion is wrong,. Atheists don't believe there is a god, which is nothing to do with what you went on to..mikotondria3
- ..try to describe, namely that there may be life more advanced than humans. I bet those lifeforms are also atheistsmikotondria3
When you look at the numbers, its literally impossible for us to be alone, otherwise we would be more special than anything thats ever existed or ever happened.
- Anyone who still thinks we are that special or unique is clearly delusional. I bet life life is everywhere.set
- religion says we're that special, which is obviously delusional when you look at the scheme of thingsmonospaced
- That is reason enough not to seek contact.shaft
- and to say that life exists everywhere without ANY proof is "delusional" as well. We have none so far. We currently have no way of finding out past our solar system.twooh
- no way of finding out past our solar system.twooh
- It's almost the definition of agnosticism. Likely, but a long way from proven.mikotondria3
Have you seen that website called "The Scale Of The Universe"?
It really shows you the scale of the Universe.
I'd have to disagree with people who would say that we aren't unique or special. There is certainly a good probability that intelligent life exists elsewhere, and a very high probability that bacterial life exists. But to argue that humans look like alien life forms is extremely unlikely. There are limitless reasons why homo-sapiens are the way they are. So I would say that we are pretty unique in that sense.
Who knows and who cares? I'll let scientists worry about it and I'll kick it right here. It's a waste of human creativity and time. Why seek out other life forms? Its an escape from seeking out life here. People want to escape to outer space because they lack true intellect for dealing with other humans here.
- i could see the earth not sustaining us eventually argument being a good reason for seeking shit outprophetone
- if we find life-sustaining planetary options out there we can all stop recycling...prophetone
- which is really what it's all aboutprophetone
- Anyone not interested in what is beyond is living a very closed life.albums
Kepler 32, Star System... A light-year away or 6 trillion miles away.
'Who knows and who cares? I'll let scientists worry about it and I'll kick it right here."
Wow, I'd hate to have your brain. Just like music and art, seeking what is out in the "beyond" is one of the very things that makes us human.
Has anyone ever pondered about the physical size of a potential alien being? The scale of their bodies could be completely different than ours. What if their bodies are the size of Earth? And they live on a Rock that's one-trillion times the size of Earth? Why do we automatically assume alien life is somewhere between 0ft and 10 ft tall?
- Are you talking about leg strength/stability and the ability to hold their bodies up?CanHasQBN
- because relativity tells us there will not be rocks one trillion times the size of earthfadein11
- Yes and gravity and the behaviour of particles and potential 'brain' size and resources and...Morning_star
- What if god hid those big rocks in the corner of space?CanHasQBN
- The universe doesn't work like that i'm afraid.Morning_star
- it's definitely something to consider though.CanHasQBN
- Morning_Star knows all... hence his presence herealbums
What of we just happen to be the first?
Somebody has to be.
the older I get and the more I read up on this and enjoy the possibilities... the more I realise how futile arguing about it on the internet is.
What of we're first by quite a large margin?
What if we had some quizzical head start - some statistically unlikely lack of gamma ray bursts in the vicinity? Some happenstance deposition of all the right ingredients on this one wee globe, the only one blessed-so?
What if we spend the next 10 million years slowly plodding across the galaxy, finding nothing but our own cousins from different divergences of Earth's old tree?
What if we achieve all that we need and decide to turn in and somehow put our collective self to bed... and only then the universe warms to the idea and starts creating life everywhere?
We would say we were alone, that we were somehow chosen.
And as ever, we'd be wrong.
The universe is estimated to be 13.75 billion years old. The earth about 4.5 billion. If we have a head start, WTF was the universe doing for the last 14 billion years?