Negotiating a Bonus
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- bjladams0
if they're that upfront with you about how shady they are with their own accounting... i'd not be very willing to trust them with a verbal agreement...
- uuuuuu0
Legally it would be a verbal contract but this would probably only help you if you got screwed then took it to court.
- sherm0
record it!
- uuuuuu0
So I will tell you my shitty bonus story but it wasn't in a real professional context and before I ever had a real job or considered things like written agreements... but anyway I was working at this plaace that told I was to be laidoff in about 5-6 months but was told if I stayed until the end I would get a bonus based on a bunch of numbers and metrix and stuff and things like my attendance. I didn't have anything to lose so I agreed and stayed working there until the end of the term.
On my LAST day I artamged to me with the supervisor to basically confirm and verify what my bonus amount was going to be and he had all worked out in a spread sheet for me showing me the qualifying numbers and my pay out. So I leave the place for good thinking I'd get another 2k on my last paycheck. Wasn't on the check so I call in asking what is happening with the bonuses and I'm told I didn't qualify anymore because they "audited" the numbers and I was cut from the list by .02 PERCENT OF ATTENDENCE!!!!!! My attendance was fine but they started dinging me on like fucking everything, bathroom breaks, talking when I should be working... So I lost the bonus after they told me I was getting it by about .02 attendance points. I never felt so screwed in my life and I freaked on them on the phone, I couldn't do shit about it either unless I wanted to waste time and money on a law suit that I probably wouldn't win. They were a BIG company and I was naive and inexperienced, they knew i too.
- whatthefunk0
Pulling monies from a separate budget is not uncommon in corporate environments. For instance you can negotiate for a "spot bonus" that would be pulled from separate coffers after a department's salary budget has already been finalized. I don't believe this to be shady but certainly creative accounting.
uuuuuuu - verbal contracts do stand up in court, you are right, but not a great feeling talking about court while considering making a move.. not a great sign but unfortunately it's a reality nowadays.
thanks all for your thoughts - shit is tricky
- bjladams0
verbal contracts stand up in court as long as there's a witness...
and i understand that there are different accounts for separate spendings... but the way you present the story delivers as shady - especially since they wont put it in writing.
- whatthefunk0
Without going into details this company has one owner who is TOUGH. Know as a very wealthy individual who is responsible for MANY companies and it's known that if a CEO or VP needs to speak/negotiate with this person it better be VERY WORTH IT. So much so that many company decisions are made in a way that doesn't involve the owner (who owns like 75 other companies) because the owner has to approve/see everything... that's an added element that makes me think they'd rather just cut a check from another budget without getting into all that. Especially since this is a new team starting - hell, I don't know anymore.
- Either this new team and the ppl in it are important to them, or not. Either you're worth that salary or you aren't. Figure it out.i_monk
- cannonball19780
Above all when negotiating: don't be a pussy.
- sine0
give me a fucking bonus!
no.
ok...- hahahawhatthefunk
- hmm..... trying not to take this literallyvaxorcist
- Frosty_spl0
I was suppose to get a raise last month, I spoke with HR and she said they know how hard I work and I was "first on the list" to get one after our CEO speaks with corporate.
It never appeared on my check, and I don't want to talk to HR again.
- so I guess you don't want the bonus? what's wrong with a quick call to HR?monospaced