Flash comeback?
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- pillhead0
Glad to see it go if I am honest.
- utopian0
Adobe Flash is almost as dead as Steve Jobs!
- teh0
I've been using flash and catalyst for doing mock-ups of WP sites lately. I do like Edge and I'll always like Builder. I still get a lot of clients that want a flash site along with an html site. I feel its all how you market flash it is just one of many tools to market a company not the be-all-end-all. Every company should have a flash site a flash mobile site.
The important thing is that the web should support all platforms.
- the web should support all platforms? what does that mean?monospaced
- all languaqges as2,3teh
- well, the web does support those! LOLmonospaced
- phones, pads etc74LEO
- vaxorcist0
I'm actually quite relieved that prospective clients are no longer asking for amazing flash intro's and then talking about their dreams for the flash intro and all the things they want zooming in and out and flipping around to show how amazing their logo looks in 3D reflections and... uh.. using up waaaay too much time at an initial client meeting wasted on me trying to talk them out of it all...
- why? you can charge more and why not make there logo look good animated it gets them excitedteh
- aaargh! They spend all this time being a pseudo-film director and IGNORE THE CONTENT.....vaxorcist
- haha...thatmikotondria3
- animatedgif0
"Every company should have a flash site a flash mobile site"
Or instead of making 3 sites (presuming you'd need a HTML site too), you could just make a decent HTML site that works on desktop and mobile.- platform independence through responsive web? Two please!sherm
- are you a lazy fuck or something? or is this the perspective form the salesman why can sell the client on 3 sites?teh
- Why would the client want 3?
It's not like they'll pay you more to make 3 sites that work worse than 1.animatedgif
- nicolasdesle0
Despite the fact that HTML is indeed more usable, the sad thing about the whole story is the fact that online creativity has been circumscribed by just one man with a ruthless marketing plan.
I mean c'mon guys, do you realize what the use Flash has realized in terms of experimental interfacing and animation?
- Not at all, just look at the WebGL sceneanimatedgif
- <-- this. you will never be able to do what you can in flash with htmlteh
- nicolasdesle0
Despite the fact that HTML is indeed more usable, the sad thing about the whole story is the fact that online creativity has been circumscribed by just one man with a ruthless marketing plan.
I mean c'mon guys, do you realize what the use Flash has realized in terms of experimental interfacing and animation?
- dbloc0
if 2pac can come back...so can flash
- monospaced0
"online creativity has been circumscribed by just one man with a ruthless marketing plan."
I find it fascinating that people still say this kind of thing. It was just the iOS that didn't support Flash, and there are umpteen devices that DO support it. Nobody forced anyone to buy iOS devices and stop developing in Flash, but they did anyway. If anyone killed it, it was Adobe by not adapting to the mobile platform in an efficient and timely manner.
- vaxorcist0
ok, who killed who?!?
How many times did I have to kill my browser process due to some badly coded flash ad slowing everything down while I was browsing the web when I should have been working...
How many brain cells did I waste waiting for some stupid flash intros? How many beers did I wish I had drunk instead of staying late at work debugging some actionscript crap code from other developers?
- qoob0
- vaxorcist0
saviour of the Universe!
- prophetone0
- goodnight sweet princeprophetone
- Next issue: "How Flash Saved The Universe - And Died For Our Sins"qoob
- vaxorcist0
.... what happens to flash next...
- iGin0
I actualy agree with @Nicolasdesle. Flash allowed better digital experience then anything I've seen so far in HTML5.
I am a creative not a coder so I don't really care but isn't it going to be a nightmare again to get your HTML5 interface work on every generations of Chrome, Firefox, Safari, IE, not to mention the slight differences on Windows and Mac OS ? and that's just desktop...
- 9900000
Flash definitely allowed us to create robust interfaces and to be more consistent with design, but it wasn't good for information sharing (not seo friendly, could not be saved locally, could not view source to share code, etc.). I think it's time is nearly over.
the main reasons to use Flash I think were:
1) typography
2) video, audio
3) bitmap scaling
4) 3D, animationbut now that web fonts are becoming more and more popular (Typekit, etc.), the popularity of the iPad/iPhone have continued to influence web video/audio (slowly killing FLV specifically), JS animation has been getting better and better, and that images can now natively scale in browsers, there's not much left for Flash to take the lead in. I believe jQuery is also helping kill Flash by making it easier to build cross-browser websites consistently.
Apple + jQuery + Typekit have all helped hasten the decline of Flash. it was fun while it lasted... :(
- This is a good assessment. jQuery was a big factor because it made JS much easier for designers.ukit2
- Type rendered like dogshit with Flash.aes
- Not at the time most peope didn't have font-smoothing, and there was no webfont.mikotondria3
- dasmeteor0
Clients doesn't want flash anymore.
- thank god. It was very hard to estimate hours for a flash project sometimes....vaxorcist
- fuck yes it was. 2 days could turn into 2 weeks.mikotondria3
- zoozoo0
it still has use in some kinds of application but it has hit its popularity peak
- fyoucher10
Steve Jobs started the death of Flash and I think Adobe was passive about it and now is allowing it to transform it's purpose for some other niche (for good reasons) and letting the browser makers, the W3C, and web dev's help grow other web-based technologies to replace the plugin. I'm a Flash guy and at first I was like WTFFFFF but now I think it's a good thing. I think Adobe is also looking out for it's Flash folks by creating apps that will make it an easier transition from Flash to HTML. I started teaching myself JavaScript and if you code ActionScript, you'll find it really familiar.
People say it can't do what Flash can do but I believe it will soon. Flash was crap when it first came out compared to now if you've worked with it that long. I think HTML will make that evolution faster than Flash did simply because there's more of a need for it now, people are aware of the situation, and people use the internet more than they did back in 1998 - 2004. You see Adobe and other folks coming up with ways to make similar Flash effects in HTML5 (i.e. blend modes are coming, filter effects, etc etc)...and people are moving fast to make these transitions. About 6 months ago people said it'll take until 2022 for HTML5 to transition over but I think it will happen MUCH sooner than that, I'd say 5 or 6 years. And in 5 or 6 years, I'd bet that there will be a ton of features in HTML and a lot of fixes to the current issues that you might see happening. I also think browser makers will make updating the browser easier and possibly even automatic so we won't have to worry about "is it compatible with this browser". I'd bet there's some kind of script in the making that even takes care of all of that automatically.
However....
Just like Flash had its problems while it was evolving, I'm sure HTML5 will go through similar issues. "These Flash ads are slowing my webpage down"... get ready for our webpage down now. Flash Intros!!! Alright, maybe not HTML5 intro's.
I'm sure when new features come out, designers and developers will be pushing the technology beyond the limit of what current hardware can handle...and people will be complaining the same way they do about Flash now. In the future, we'll have 'click-to-HTML5" and it'll just default back to HTML4 or even CSS1....
- Flash was already dead only Jobs noticed it before others did.raf
- goddamit. Missing words, I sound retarded.fyoucher1
- No, it's cool I largely agree, mate.mikotondria3