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- oey0
I don't eat meat for almost 15 years, but I'm not vegan.
I don't drink milk but eat some cheese. I eat one egg a week or maybe less. I do eat fish once a week. I don't do any propaganda.
I respect vegans. I don't defend anything.
Being revolutionary doesn't have anything to do with diets but veganism would make a big difference in the way the world is totally fucked up...I guess.
or maybe not! fuck that, does anyone knows M.I.A. Dj name?!
- RW0
Here it is...
We are designed to be 'able' to eat meat. We are not designed to eat meat in the quantities that we do. Our whole body is not designed to process meat at the level the average person consumes it - i.e: every day. That's why meat sticks in the gut for so long.
This black / white arguement is just ignaorance on both sides I'm afraid and I agree that it's usually meat eaters that feel the need to populate threads with such hilarity as - 'yea bro, I eat MEAT!'. Odd.
There have been quite a few studies / some spanning decades that say Vegetarians can expect a longer life expectancy. Some have suggested that this is not just down to diet but also the vegetarians likely socio-economic status - i.e: they can afford to take more care of themselves. In any case, eating meat is not necessary; in fact, it's attributed to higher rates of cancer and diabetes among other things.
What has happened is that, gluttony has taken over and where we have evolved as a species; to eat meat every so often, we actually meat every day and as part of every meal. It is not ideal and the intensive farming needed to feed our species, especially in the west - is not natural in any sense of the word.
Anyway, that's my balanced take on it.
- randommail0
Any sane doctor would recommend eating meat in moderation as part of a balanced diet, as with anything else. Any kind of extreme eating behavior, such as absolute exclusion, is usually frowned upon by medical/health professionals. Unless you had an actual medical condition that required extreme dietary behavior. ie. diabetes, celiac disease, etc.
Veganism is not a health stance. It's just like any kind of group or sect, it's a means to an in-group and excluding others your group deems unworthy.
- Hench0
^ These last two retarded comments are testament to Lukus_W's point about eating meat... lol
"Eating meat is tied closely to masculine ideals, and I reckon a lot of people romanticise the process of killing meat and consuming it - and choose their point of view purely for the purpose of projecting a macho image. It's understandable, but a bit naive maybe."
- Nothing macho.. I like meat. My girlfriend chose and cooked it. Not macho... just human.NickInfozure
- coming into a vegan thread and shouting about bacon and pork with MEAT in caps at the end. OK mate, OK.Hench
- I eat meat too, and love it. But you my friend seem like a complete bell-end.Hench
- Haha. Sorry to upset you.NickInfozure
- And you wouldn't be so Hench without a bit of meat.NickInfozure
- lol, not true there are raw veggie body builders that are TONK! ;DHench
- NickInfozure0
Yeh I had Chicken wrapped with bacon and pork and apple stuffing last night. Sunday nights wouldn't be the same without a bit of MEAT!
- Harley_Quinn0
I like eating two animals at once.... like bacon wrapped sirloin or bacon wrapped shrimp <3 heck wrap most anything in bacon and most people are down !!!!!
- Peter0
Yay steak!
"Your body kills living beings by the thousands every day. If you didn't, you'd die. Bacteria, viruses, disease... are all 'living beings'. By the very nature of our existense we must kill other life forms to survive."
True, but now we're on the very macrobiotic of levels. Seems like a bit of a schtickler argument to me: a valid point but a point not really related to us eating all these yummy carcasses. Let's get back to those. Or otherwise we might end up agreeing to something bizarre and uncivilized, like man must kill every other man in order to survive. We've the ability to choose to coexist, but not always the mind to.
The answer, I believe, is as always in moderation. We're raising animals with brains so that they can feed animals which we will later feed upon. It's almost ridiculous where we are.
While I could never give up fish, meat or poultry, but I'd sure invite more initiative to eating less of it.Alas when the McRib returns...
- auxillary0
In honour of this thread I will eat a fat, juicy steak tonight! Hurray!
- added_valium0
I'm a non-practicing vegan
- elloh0
there's nothing better than meatballs.
- abettertomorrow0
I think we all agree that the subject of this thread is rather stupid...the girl justs wants attention.
- lowimpakt0
also, we didn't evolve canines to eat big macs and salty cooked bacon.
natural my hole.
- lowimpakt0
most fat fuckers eat meat. don't get me started on those heart attack pricks.
QED.
- formed0
The point, and I'll leave after this, is that there is a choice. You don't have to kill any animals to live. That's a choice (and, rightfully yours).
Let's just not try to qualify it as a 'necessity', because it is not. If you want to eat meat, then you choose to contribute to the killing of animals (morals, free range, whatever).
Just as humans naturally kill each other, it's not something that we have to do. We choose to or not to.
My largest argument for it, in case you were curious, is simple economics. Eventually, we won't want to cut rain forests down for cows. We can grow veggies anywhere, and they actually help the environment. My 2 cents.
Most of it comes down to the poor name bad vegetarians have given it. There is this horrible idea that it is bland or boring, but it is not. Or that things have to have less salt, less carbs or whatever 'less' to be more healthy.
Like any food, it comes down to the cook.
Thankfully, there are more and more creative restaurants and chefs out there offering more creative offerings that simply taste great.
- Hench0
I knew I'd get sucked into this debate eventually. But meh, do what you like - believe what you like. I'm going back to watch Liar Liar
- Hench0
lol.. 'We don't have to kill other living beings'
Your body kills living beings by the thousands every day. If you didn't, you'd die. Bacteria, viruses, disease... are all 'living beings'. By the very nature of our existense we must kill other life forms to survive. As I said before and you wrongly disagreed... this existence is undeniably a 'dog eat dog world'
Look at the animal kingdom, most animals and insects for that matter kills other animals (and insects) to survive.
It's the way the world works.
I think a vegetarian diet can be great and you can certainly live a healthy and strong life on it now we have our nice soft easy lives with access to almost any food on the planet.
Almost every native tribe on the planet eats meat (or at least fish), by the way.
- I have never seen a dog eat another dog. Your argument is invalid.abettertomorrow
- lolHench
- a coyote is a dog. and it eats dogs.
BOOM!Hombre_Lobo_2 - Then they should call a "coyote eats dog world"abettertomorrow
- They should call a "coyote eats dog world" what?Hench
- They should call a coyote eats dog world and ask it how it feels on this subject.abettertomorrow
- ah, got it.Hench
- lukus_W0
Fundamentalism of any kind is pretty scary .. people who are fanatical about veganism / vegetarianism scare me a bit; in the same way that people who are fanatical about guns and liberty, or god do too.
The fact is, we don't _need_ to kill animals to survive - we have a the luxury of choice, and we can eat what we like and involve politics in the decision if we want to. There are thousands of ways we can live our lives - no one needs to conform.
We don't have to kill other living beings (or die). We're not living in the wild west or the jungle - most of us live in cities.
As for plants feeling pain just like animals - this sounds like complete bullshit to me .. especially when you consider that plants are made from a completely different cell type. It's a comparison which tries to show the similarity between animals and plants - when the more useful comparison is between animals and humans.
Eating meat is tied closely to masculine ideals, and I reckon a lot of people romanticise the process of killing meat and consuming it - and choose their point of view purely for the purpose of projecting a macho image. It's understandable, but a bit naive maybe.
Re. the article. The author might need to eat animal derived products to function - but I don't see why the alternative - of becoming a fully fledged carnivore - was taken when there was an intermediate step; e.g. becoming a ovo-lacto vegetarian, and seeing how that goes.