Lack of quality
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- RumperChunk0
Gotta pay top whack for the best.... If I'm willing to pay that, hopefully someone is willing to seriously commit.. I plan to work them to the bone. And then some.
- yeah, I would keep the amount a secret, and hope that whoever bites is not aware of the industry standardsMiguex
- babaganush0
We've even had to turn down bright students offering to work for free out of ethics. No way we can afford ribose them as still not a fluid economy but your statement above I agree with. However in some respects these students would have gotten closer to award winning work for good clients than at a large agency. Unless you are talking an Omnicom agency or something it is down to exchange of knowledge. Small studios will need to nurture and take their eyes of the ball ( with already limited resources ) and will always be giving more than they get. If this is done exploitatively it is bang out of order, more often than not it is from necessity. Therefore RumperChunk I very much agree with your sentiments but in creative industries and the disparity between scale etc. It's not always possible and the people that lose out will be inexperienced graduates looking for a break in a tough climate
- randommail0
All the talented graduates are at 45k+ jobs.
- SteveJobs0
starbucks barista's make more than that, don't they?
- $40, 000 a year?Andrew_D
- no they def do notarthur
- Actually the make about that in Canada, anyway (after a few years).jasonistaken
- hellojeehae0
yeah... you get what you pay for
- josimar0
What are you really trying to say here Rumperchunk by starting this thread? I have a fair idea.
- crayz0
I'll be honist with you Ruberchunk. Your folio / work does not look like the kind of work that would attack top grads.
25k wouldn't buy you someone who was out to develop. Money isn't the main reason for first jobs then if it is, your not going to do very well. My main priority is finding somewhere with a lot of senior people around who appreciate and understand my skills, who want to see me develop. i can make money on my own till then. 25k would not temp me into working somewhere at the start of my career that i didn't think I'd learn a lot from.
- LukeO0
I'll be honest with you crayz
Your insulting and talking crap. Your very misguided if you really believe half of what you just said. But then again I suppose you are a recent grad so you don't have a bloody clue.
25k will attract alot of top level grads because there are hardly any jobs out there right now. People work for free to develop skills so why wouldn't 25k work? Senior designers aren't surrogate mothers there to further you. They want a designer who doesn't moan, keeps the ego in check, who works fast to make their life easier.
- crayz0
Tim's the best grad from my year. Working at Wallpaper now though.
http://www.timgeorgedesign.co.uk…This year Andy Cooke most prolific doer I've ever met. Working too.
carg0collective.com/andy-cooke/And me!
- VikingKingEleven0
ill do it, I'd take anything at this point just to work with like minded people.
- pinkfloyd0
Why is there a internet nerd fight everyday?
- mydo0
£25k for a junior is good money isn't it?
if it's a good company you can get kids for free. 6 month internships.
my first job was £16k albeit 10 years ago, but things haven't changed that much.- i dont know about now, but 10 years ago £25k was shite for a juniormoldero
- i know it was the .com days, but it was still 10 years agomoldero
- where the hell were you working?mydo
- I worked with a decent name during dot com. Grads got nothing like 25kbabaganush
- yeah, 25k pounds. are good.akrokdesign
- moldero0
that's like $40k US, is the economy up there still really that fucked up? how long do i have to hibernate in Mexico?
- mydo0
ok by junior/grad we mean someone straight out of uni who maybe talented at design but is really slow and has little or no real world experience. with coaching and time a junior can produce the same work as a senior, but the difference is time. eg..
Can you whip up 10 logos for a client presentation at 2pm.
Senior gives you 20 useable logos at 1pm
Junior has 2 great logos at 2.30For this i wouldn't pay more than £20k, how is that a return on investment. unless you're training someone up. if that's the case then salary jumps up with ability. If you're under 25 in the UK, i can't see you earning over £30k as a graphic design. surely? maybe i'm wrong. i left the UK 7 years ago.
on the flip side. come out to shanghai. a fully qualified, bi-lingual graduate is £2,250 per year.
- jamble0
It's no wonder the industry is fucked if some of you think £25k isn't top dollar for a new graduate.
Most recent graduates don't know their arse from their elbow and while some produce interesting work, they don't have a clue when it comes to working for a paying client.
- crayz0
LukeO.
the 25k suggest he's having problems attracting anyone in, I'm just saying that from the point of view of a graduate. He does not do the type of work that appeals to graduates. I'm not trying to be offensive.
- Dodecahedron0
i thought this thread was going to be something about weed.
- I thought it was going to be about blowjobs given by english womenHench
- hah...it fits.akrokdesign