Religulous
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- jetSkii0
The Jews created the Bible where they shall inherit the entire world. With no copyright protection at the time, everyone just sparked off their own modified version of it to suit their own needs. Thus Christianity, Catholicism, Muslim, etc.. were born. Creating a social network that you were apart of as long as you choose their religion. Everyone else could go fuck themselves and go to hell.
The worse set back in history, where truth in sciences was condemned as witchcraft.
- mikotondria30
@gramme
It utterly depends on what you mean by tangible in your response.
You 'have faith' that there exist things that leave no mark or their existence on the world, yet are continuous in their potential to affect the real world.. This is somewhat of a word game - existence can and in everday usage is, defined as something having qualities or affecting such that can be perceived..
Your claim that your religious ideas or principles are true (ie, that there is an object, imperceptible and immeasurable called god that created the universe, hears your thoughts and sees your actions, and intervenes in the world at hir discretion) is a statement about Existence. If your god did not intervene in the world you would not know of him - just because we cannot perceive him now, you say, there IS evidence of his existence all around us, AND in the tales of his intercession in the physical world in the Bible..
I say, both that your citing of these effects reduces your 'faith' to a hypothesis, basing it upon this 'evidence', and also that this hypothesis is unproven, given that the true causes for all the evidence shown by religious people of their gods' existence and actions in the world are, one by one, shown to have a scientific, logical basis.
There's very little left that you can point to and claim that god did it, and therefore he exists and therefore you're going to heaven and we should all stop kissing other men/eating this/thinking that, and it's shrinking all the time.
- sikma0
there are only two things in life, fact and belief
and if there is a god wouldn't he want you too find out the facts, instead of believing?
- So God needs to fit your (or my) criteria?gramme
- "fact" is not a criteria. they exist without the need of human to interpretation.sikma
- You are still, however, assigning purpose to a god whose purposes might be beyond our full comprehension.gramme
- We can partially comprehend, which is fine. The clay doesn't ask the potter why it was made just so.gramme
- moldero0
some good points he brought out were on how a lot of the bible stories flood, jesus, were copies of stories from an older religion from the first civilization if i remember right.
- i'm with you on that. just seems like the bulk of the movie (the interviews) was funny, but that was about it. the few moments where he really explained the fallacy of christianity were some of my favorite bitsmcmillions
- where he really explained the fallacy of christianity were some of my favorite bitsmcmillions
- mikotondria30
The least intelligent people simply parrot and paraphrase those things said by the most 'intelligent', and I'm hesitant to use that word to describe them, religious people. Religious ideas themselves are pretty simple, what takes some intelligence is to be able to effectively and concisely lance them and reveal them to be false or downright nasty in as entertaining way as possible.
Bill Maher might be a bit of a smug tosspot at times, but he's my kind of smug tosspot, and he'd wouldn't be true to himself if he tried to make a high-brow intellectual critique of religion rather than just mocking its inherent idiocy the way he does with his other material.
A smart 8 year old is still as right when they declare that religion is false as Christopher Hitchens is when he's debating Rabbo Shmuley.
- vitamins0
mcmillions
I did notice he didn't interview the brightest Christians in the movie.moldero
Yes, Horus from the Egyptians, Krishna from the Hindu religion. They had a similar story as far as being born from a virgin, being cruxified, among other similarities. These stories were before Jesus's time as well.- Not Krishna. You're thinking of Karna, Just want to be pedantic here in this most revered of discussions.abhi
- juhls0
It was hilarious either way.
- Good pointvitamins
- yeah, it was fucking amazingly funny. the costumed jesus impostor was amazing.mcmillions
- jetSkii0
The simple goal of a God was to explain that which we do not understand and know yet.
- stewdio0
If it's intelligence you crave,
http://dai.ly/dyJv4S
- brandelec0
very funny. i remember running into holy land experience back in 2001 and that place is very odd.
- lukus_W0
Re. the book I posted above;
It ties a lot of religious writing together .. and shows the similarities between the individual journeys that a lot of mythical and religious figures supposed took.
Myths, legends and religious texts all seem to come from a common (shared) place - and basically, the author argues that there's a psychological necessity that's inherent in humankind to understand life through myth and story.
I don't think this necessarily means that because these stories are factually untrue, they're irrelevant. I think it shows that they're vitally important, because they provide a way to understand the human condition.
I think religion should have a place in society, but I don't think I could ever agree that religious dogma is a good thing.
There's definitely a danger that if we internalise our 'gods', we become far too self-absorbed and inward looking. Being able to conceptualise that there's something more powerful that exists externally is probably a really healthy thing.
- georgesIII0
- Maybe make it three layers to represent peoples belief in the Trinity?soundsinsilence
- vitamins0
Can Christians explain the roles of neanderthals?
What did the carnivores eat in Noah's arc?
Did a guy live in a "big fish" for 3 days.
This is for the Christians who take the bible literally, fundamentalists I believe.- Have you ever read the bible or are just repeating what the media told you to repeat? I'm no fundie so I'll let other respondgeorgesIII
- The more I read the bible, the more of a agnostic i'm becoming.vitamins
- so you're not atheist,
you do believe in a force/power/god/some... exist,georgesIII - yes, I dovitamins
- dMullins0
I am not religious at all, but religious humor does nothing for me. I'm actually more offended by people who think it's funny to bash other peoples' beliefs for the sake of a laugh.
That said, I love Bill Maher when he's applying his ludicrous blanket statements to politics and not religion.
- nosaj0
I agree mcmillions. He had a chance to make a truly interesting film, it would have been great to see him discuss religion with intelligent Christians instead of picking easy targets. He's a strong debater he should have picked a fight with equals.
- scarabin0
"There's definitely a danger that if we internalise our 'gods', we become far too self-absorbed and inward looking."
please explain as this seems completely baseless.
"Being able to conceptualise that there's something more powerful that exists externally is probably a really healthy thing. "
imagination is healthy, yes. projecting something you don't understand into an external being that you can talk to is called crazy.
- vitamins0
The reason why i'm so upset was that I feel i've been lied to all these years. The more I looking into Christianity, the more unreasonable it sounds.