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- Dodecahedron0
give back in other ways if you feel the commitment is worth something, don't compromise your rate
- PonyBoy0
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bummer, eryx... we always seem to get screwed (freelance artists)...
Yesterday I had a client ask me to guarantee them a day (today) @ my day rate... so I did so... moved everything aside / worked late last night...
so this morning 9am passes... 10am passes... *sigh
It'll be around 1 before I get anything if I'm going to get it... and instead of working from 8am till 3-4... I'll work 1pm till whenever...
... nature of this dirty beast I suppose. : (
At least I get to do it all at my desk from home w/my kitty staring me down and whatever music I want blaring in the background... ... in my underwear...
- if i were you i would be on the phone with the client first thing in the morning.. i dont know what you are waiting forbrodyR
- oh... a call was into them first thing, dude... :) 2 voicemails left for 2 diff folksPonyBoy
- I just noticed you are in fenix.. if you have a client that you dispise send them my way, I'm actively serching for clients I'll take any.. thanksbrodyR
- eh - the client I'm talking about is an agency in chicago... I don't have much locally :(PonyBoy
- coolbrodyR
- jetSkii0
From research and studies, people have found that mornings are the best time to get your fresh ideas and thoughts on the table . Mornings should be beat spent thinking
- juhls0
Pony is right about that time frame. Nothing really gets done during that time frame (9-12). Not necessarily from your end, but more so with clients and when you expect files from them. Anyway, looks like you've had a bad taste already.
- Miesfan0
Do not. These three hours will be your nightmare.
- robulation0
It's unbelievable how clients go out of their way to create a bitterness between yourselves and them. They all want something for nothing and it pisses me right off! I honestly think that they'll see you as more professional and you'll also keep your freedom if you just say no! I've learnt exactly the same lesson and you feel bad at first... BUT you've gotta remember that you're a business as well as them, you're both out to make money!
- eryx0
@PonyBoy your second post explains is exactly what happened. The first day I was working with them they asked me to work past the time that I said.
I gave them a flat rate as we are going to try this out on a two week basis. When I told them I would have to charge them more for overtime there was quite a push back.
They expected that I would be "on call" because they wanted me to work mornings. When I moved everything else for the next two weeks to the afternoon they were astonished that I would not be able to work during the afternoons as well.
- yikes...sounds like they just wanted to pay you halfmonospaced
- "explains exactly" and "worked past the time agreed on" Don't hire me as a copy writer eithereryx
- cannonball19780
also don't talk about or think about changing your rate if there has been no discussion
- cannonball19780
commit someone to them and direct them
- PonyBoy0
this will bi-pass the 9am - 12pm time frame too... ... if not by them - by you...
... nothing gets done in that time frame... ... everything requires 'quite time' to get shit done - especially if you're a freelancer.
Mornings are HELL if you're a freelancer sometimes - nothing gets done...
... give this a lot of thought before you do it!... please!
- QUIET TIME... not 'quite time'...
don't hire me as a copywriter :)PonyBoy - So right on this one, clients no matter how good a deal they might put together...EVERYTHIN... will eventually become urgent work that needs finishing in the afternoon. You might as well just bend over now...robulation
- suddenly become urgent, need doing in the afternoon or whatever. They've got you...you might as well bend over now.robulation
- QUIET TIME... not 'quite time'...
- PonyBoy0
bad idea if you're really trying to start something on your own...
I know you're thinking that this is good 'regular' income... ... but remember your hourly freelance charge / project charge that you usually come up w/based on the work at hand...
... if you get sucked into a specific price - you're stuck w/whatever it is your asked to do - what you'd normally charge $75 / hour for (and let's say it takes you 10 hours)... you merely get your part time wage... and maybe it ended up taking you the week to finish up... ... what about all that other freelance work you could have been charging accordingly for?
In my experience it's never been 'give and take'... it's always been 'take take take / scrape every last second / thought / idea out of you' that they can...
... if you're still freelancing for others - I highly recommend you DO NOT do this - my experience has been that you miss out on 'good projects' that were yours for the taking... ... or you just kill the relationship in general cuz you've told them 'no' a number of times in a row due to a very specif SHITTY commitment you should have never made...
- jetSkii0
if you got nothing better else to do, why not?
- eryx
One of my clients has asked me if I would like to commit to working mornings for them.
9:00 - 12:00 Mon - Friday from my studio
I am wondering if I should take it on or not. Has anyone else had an experience with something like this?
would you give a better hourly rate because of the commitment they are showing?