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- Pupsipu0
Jesus Boz look at those huge walls of text, how much time do we waste arguing about this shit? Not enough!
The goal of Flixel and this game is not to have amazing graphics, it's to have well crafted graphics, to fit into the retro style. Flash's uber performance doesn't apply here, some Flixel games do not run as smoothly as others. Yes, games that could run in the 1980's do not run smoothly in Flash in 2010! We're not coding in assembler and Flash isn't optimized for those use cases.
As I've said before on YH!, nowhere in the HTML5 spec do they say they want to be compatible with Adobe's toolkit by offering all the features of Flash. HTML5 does not share your priorities and may never be appropriate for the work Flashers like you are doing.
But it is already good enough for some people. Notice this guy got a large enough audience, despite IE being behind, and riding on the HTML5 hype wagon helped him get it.
Can Flash do that? No because it's hated.
Yes, he is reinventing the wheel from what Flixel was doing for a year. Flash games were re-inventions of Java games which were re-inventions of C games etc.. Same old shit made with new toys.
The priorities of these news toys are different from the old toys. HTML5 has "threading" ready. Flash does not. So for certain people Flash is not good enough. When will Flash get threading, considering Adobe is busy making mobile versions? 2012? Is there even a schedule? No there isn't and that's going to lose them developers.
Typed arrays for WebGL allow you to do calculations stupid fast. When will the typed numbers in AS3 give that performance? So far Adobe recommends to use PixelBender, how convenient.
I'm just underlining that your Flash is ahead on all fronts while HTML5 is in the dust is a biased assessment. Unsurprisingly Flash is ahead on all the fronts that you care about. That's one of those chicken or egg riddles.
- Well I don't disagree with anything you have posted there.Boz
- detritus0
Oh my.
- Pupsipu0
This one is polished
- Continuity0
If you watch his 'making of' vid, in the first few minutes he's doing an in-browser demo, and in the browser's search area he's got 'lesbian porn' typed in. Hope he's not showing this to prospective employers. :D
- ernexbcn0
Hello and good morning.
I agree that the personal attack against Boz website wasn't necessary and I apologize.
But you guys started to get insightful after that, not before. Before you just spewed FUD against the author and the game based on some silly remarks and without any reasoning.
Like ukit said, we need experiments like these to push browsers forward and keep improving rendering speed and overall support of HTML5. There's also some people doing high profile works/experiments like Arcade Fire "The Wilderness Downtown", we need more of that too.
There's good merit in all of these things, and that is they are being done in open standards that all the vendors are going to support. Flash isn't a open standard.
- well, he did say some really really ignorant things and blamed the code on his computer crashmonospaced
- set0
Cooooooo
- ifeltdave0
sickness
- monospaced0
that's slick
- ernexbcn0
this one's also sick, a 1024 kilobytes platformer game
- Miguex0
game is SICK btw
- Ancillary0
Hey I made this game in HTML 5 to say thank you to this agency I worked at for a bit:
- Continuity0
I still think you guys are beating a dead horse. Flash won't kill anything, and neither will HTML, no matter which version. Each will evolve and complement the other, and a good designer or developer will end up choosing the right tool for the job.
- I only posted a link to a game, without even mentioning Flashernexbcn
- Yeah, I know, but it ended up right back to Flash v HTML5 thing again.Continuity
- simply acknowledging HTML 5 is akin to slapping a Flash dev in the face with your penisAncillary
- Charming mental picture, that. >_<Continuity
- SteveJobs0
^ oh it will one day. and on that day, adobe and microsoft shall bow, and their empires shall fall, and the horsemen and end of days prophecies shall come to pass, and YOU SHALL NOT PASS!!!
- PonyBoy0
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*sigh...
... seriously?... it's like a 500 x 300px boring-ass 2D pile of ass...
... w/a respectable sound track.
And he's asking for donations?
he bolds the 'not' in 'not Flash'... ... if you did it in Flash - you'd of been done a month earlier - it'd of been even cooler and smoother... and you'd be fine that you'd need that oh-so-annoyingly available free plug-in that every computer has...
... and if you try and say that it's cool for mobile devices - it doesn't work on the iphone or ipad...
... yes - another 'fun' little experiment - but there's nothing impressive about it except the hard-on's some folks are getting over it (flash haters)...
... congrat's - you created a 2D game that belongs on the Nintendo of my youth.
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- I encased this post in smiley-faces as to deter the wrath of which I know is comingPonyBoy
- ahh, you gone and done it nowSteveJobs
- I'm not a flash hater, and I can care less on what platform it was done, the game is fun, period.Miguex
- ohhhhhhhhh... it's okaaaaaay I guess... :D
I do really like the soundPonyBoy
- moth0
So what is flash doing that's new then Boz? I see everything else evolving around me, but not that.
What's happening to cease it inevitable slow demise? AIR failed. It's got no footing in the mobile/app market, which is set to obliterate the web as we know it.
Smells like death to me.
- You see things "evolving" around because Flash can do all of those things for a while now.Boz
- and Flash has evolved immensely from Flash 8. You don't see it because your attention is probably on something else.Boz
- something else, or you acknowledge progress only on things you consider relevant.Boz
- And AIR failed :) AIR is going to be the major force in mobile market being available on all platforms. You can't say it failed because it hasn't even started.Boz
- because it hasn't even started. AIR for Android, the improved AIR for iPhone/iPad is coming end of this year.Boz
- Continuity0
'... the mobile/app market, which is set to obliterate the web as we know it.'
Obliterate? Let's not exaggerate ...
- moth0
^
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