Level of quality in work
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- erikjonsson0
bitter? :P
- SigDesign0
Look at what people can do with their phones nowadays:
Also, a lot of photo apps like Hipstamatic, that imitate the look of old film and Polaroid... sigh... it's effortless for people to do these things I used to love to create in the darkroom or with vintage cameras...
- it's not about the effort.... at least not only....vaxorcist
- sherm0
The argument has some validity, i agree that there will be great photographers and photographers that are POO because the bar of entry is lower.
Generally speaking the cheaper cameras & lenses will attract the lowest common denominator in terms of skill and these folk will crank out the highest level of shit. Some of these same folks will even opt for a more expensive camera thinking it will increase skill or the impression of professionalism.
However, certain people will push the envelope regardless of the camera they use and learn about how to use the camera without relying on automatic settings or fixing it in post production.
Some people will study the craft of photography and apply it to whatever camera they are using for best results. Some people won't have time to delve into the theory, and will want the quick fix of the automatic setting.
What can you really do about it?
Trashing anyone comes across as hating anyway... just don't do it.
Do what you do and let that be your voice.
- Miguex0
To be honest, I think this debate is just a way for old timers to try to separate themselves with the newcomers. There has always been bad photography, way before digital cameras were around, and it has nothing to do with your camera brand/ model being better or newer than another.I'm one of these people, and I'm the first one to say it, when my dad gave me my first film camera I had no interest in it. When I worked on a photo magazine with its own dark room/ slides light table, I wasn't interested either, but when I got my first point n shoot I was hooked.
I'm not a pro photographer buy any means, but I have worked in several photoshoots as lighting assistant just to learn, and I have seen and heard so many people putting "digital" down, and how their work is great cause they been shooting "film" for so long and that "you will never get a picture like mine, with that camera" sort of thing.
As soon as I hear stuff like that, I think.. this guy is insecure, he doesn't even know me and is already trashing people's work left and right, as he was waiting from some sort of validation from me.
Sorry, I don't care what kind of camera you shoot, or for how long you have been doing it, a good photo should be a good photo on it's own, I don't need you to whisper in my ear how good it is because of the kind of camera you used.
my 2 cents.
- dMullins0
Is this a reference to Nicholaus Goossen?
- this guy?
http://en.wikipedia.…
.. nope. Why would you think that?differenz - lol!bigtrick
- heheheHombre_Lobo
- Hahahahaha - so random...mg33
- ha!miesvan
- careful...duckofrubber
- this guy?
- vaxorcist0
I once worked in a 1 hour photo lab... some of the best images were "accidental masterpieces" shot on point and shoot cameras by soccer moms... occasionallly some really amazing images that would look at home in Aperture magazine,etc.... and no, these people didn't consider themselves artists... and couldn't repeat this sort of thing on call....
and yes, I know that a professional is somebody who can do what's needed on call....
....and some of the worst images were the from the dudes with big bucks and big cameras....
- uan0
I would say yes, BUT it doesn't matter, as long as there is still professional work around, you will see the difference.
I think it's great that the equipment is accessible now to a wide range of people. Finally talent will make the difference and not the equipment.
Now on another note, the lack of talent (in- and outside the industry) is very disturbing.
- bigtrick0
short answer: there are more photographers, and therefore there are more bad photographers as well as more good photographers. there have always been no-talent cunts able to get people to take them seriously - and now because there are more photographers overall, it then follows that there are more photographers that are also no-talent cunts.
- Hombre_Lobo0
I totally see your point and agree whole heatedly,
but those people who say 'oh yeh it looks great' only because the image is sharp, but lacks any type of thoughts on framing composition light etc are those who will produce 2nd rate images, so no i dont think it is being downgraded.Knowing your trade is invaluable, particularly the old school methods which you point out.
You should thank yourself lucky that you even notice these things, it shows you think more critically than others and as a result im sure you produce better work.
- harlequino0
Upgrading and democratizing tools is not a new idea. Innovators will always be innovators, and the cream will always rise to the top.
- differenz0
All great answers. I'm glad you think that way. I guess the thing that pisses me off the most is the fact that people just don't see these details, yet.. they want to be in this business or consider themselves professionals. Everyone who can click thinks he's a pro.
- jaylarson0
takes a brain to see the difference between a snapshot and a photograph
- twokids0
There are two ways to handle the constant change in technology - move forward and embrace it or get left behind.
Anyone who can click and creates something and sells it IS A PRO. Whether or not they comply to your standards, which come from a different time. They create a new standard by what they do.
You have to decide how to adapt to technology, not bitch about it. How does the change in technology affect what you thought was 'quality' today. Maybe that standard doesnt apply anymore?
Adapt or die.
- inteliboy0
Framing and composition can be taught in schools. It's a skill but not talent, nor quality. What is hard to find is emotion and an original feeling or thought. I really just don't get that with most digital/amateur dslr owners with their 1.4 lens and a copy of photoshop.
Plus DSLR video, is just that, video. Still the same jittery shutter speed video that just looks bad. But people seem to be loving it, and loving these overly processed HDR junk you see everywhere. So I dunno...
A wake up call was a few years back when I scored a 16mm camera for a day, sourced a reel of stock, loaded it up and lugged it out to the forest super early in the morning. Got some footage that I really liked, telecined, and edited it together. Was a good release and was fun. But then hitting vimeo, I mean, so many people were shooting similar shit with absolute ease, at random times, with their dslrs, no thought... it all just meant nothing.
- nocomply0
I think the point you make can be applied to almost any job that falls within the greater QBN community (web designers, developers, print designers, flash programmers, etc...).
Cheap technology has made it easy for anyone to get the tools, but it takes experience to realize that it's how you use them that counts.
I'm a firm believer in that motto, to the point where I actually become kind of stoked about getting more out of less. (Ex... "Man, I took an awesome picture with that shitty point-and-shoot camera!" or "Dude, can you believe I pulled off those web updates on this old laptop with Win2000 and 512mb memory?!") It gives me the feeling that I'm truly in control, and not a slave to any device. That's more of my inner geek coming out than is necessary, but I think it fits with the theme here.
My way of looking at this situation has always been to put my head down and produce the best work possible, and trust that it will get noticed/respected by the right people. So far, so good.
- yes.... got a Nikon D50 on craigslist for $200..... keep it in my bag with me now....vaxorcist
- ESKEMA0
These new Cameras turned Photo / Video in the new easy to step in thing. It already happened to design, music dj's, etc...
In the long run, the good will still be shooting, the bad will jump in the next thing and another cycle begins.
- dirtydesign0
terry richardson?