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Flash is not dead 3939 Responses
Last post: 1 year, 4 months ago | Thread started: Mar 16, 10, 3:47 p.m.
- clearThoughts
http://theflashblog.com/?p=1818
I reckon Apple are Shooting Themselves In The Foot?
With all the skilled Flash developers out there, it would be soooo easy to get stuff done for this type of tablet.- Mar 16, 10, 3:47 p.m. – Permalink
- SteveJobs
i think Adobe's (read: Steve Jobs) intention is to train a generation of Cocoa developers who will be writing tomorrows OS X software.
Giving them an easy-out with AS3 could completely destroy any chance of this.
This isn't the business strategy they are communicating, but I promise, this is the intent. It's very clever and Microsoft should be afraid.
- Dog-earMar 16, 10, 3:50 p.m. – Permalink
- lukus_W
Of course theflashblog.com is going to say flash isn't dead.
- Dog-earMar 16, 10, 3:53 p.m. – Permalink
- DRIFTMONKEY
- Dog-earMar 16, 10, 3:57 p.m. – Permalink
- clearThoughts
Yeah - maybe flash could fade out a bit, but Adobe will come up with a similar platform to allow Flash developers to make apps for tablets.
What about this?
Adobe Air on a Dell Tablet- Dog-earMar 16, 10, 3:59 p.m. – Permalink
- clearThoughts
BTW - not really post related, but I would like to add that Steve Balmer is a cunt
- Dog-earMar 16, 10, 4 p.m. – Permalink
- SteveJobs
to expound. if you want to be a microsoft developer, you're bound to be overwhelmed by the amount of resources available. A lot of people (particularly Mac users) blindly accuse MS of churning out crap across the board, but this isn't an accurate assessment. In fact, the one thing they do very well is make development easy for everyone through innovative tools and plentiful resources. This is evidenced by the crazy amount of windows applications available out there. freeware, shareware, commercial. toooons of libraries, components, open source, articles, you name it. This ironically, why you see so many security holes - it's less the OS's fault and more the success/pervasiveness of the OS itself (IMO).
In the Mac world, development has long been a black art. So few resources. Poor documentation/examples. But all that's changing. Soon Apple will catch up to MS, or at least come close if they can penetrate the business world. But for now, getting everyone on track by learning Cocoa is crucial, and largely why Adobe's getting left out in the cold.
- Dog-earMar 16, 10, 4:04 p.m. – Permalink
- clearThoughts
I can't be bothered to learn Cocoa, let alone Coffee or Tea
- Dog-earMar 16, 10, 4:07 p.m. – Permalink
- ernexbcn
well, Microsoft seems to like Apple's concept because they just announced that the only way to get apps on the upcoming Windows Phones is thru their own App Store.
Unlike Google Android that you can download apps from anywhere or from its own store too.
- Dog-earMar 16, 10, 4:09 p.m. – Permalink
- lukus_W
@SteveJobs;
I think your point about the difference between MS and Apple's development tools is very true - but I'm not sure if restricting Flash would be a very effective way of encouraging more developers to use Cocoa.
From what I can see, Cocoa is a set of objective-C APIs and libraries - whereas Flash has always been more accessible to people who come from a graphics background.
I don't think that the switch would be possible for all.
- Dog-earMar 16, 10, 4:15 p.m. – Permalink
- Pupsipu
a bit of a stretch to compare AS3 in Flash to Microsoft Desktop APIs and Cocoa. A fair comparison would be AS3 to JS or Silverlight.
There is simply no comparison on mobiles, JIT compiled or interpreted runtimes for JS and AS3 will not be able to do very much. Of course, most iPhone apps don't do very much so could be done more easily in JS/AS3 than Obj C 1.0.
Apple isn't stopping people from putting together JS iPhone apps as long as they're packaged a certain way, and there are lots of packagers around for that already. They appeared a few months after the iPhone did.
So the real problem here is Adobe. Flash is closed source so it has fewer developers than the JS world. The haXe to iPhone effort was the only attempt to get Flash iPhone apps to run outside of Adobe and it was hindered by the closed source player.
Adobe could have put together their iPhone exporter together a year ago. They could have had their mobile effort done a year ago, it just wasn't a priority, so now they're pretty late to the party.
- Dog-earMar 16, 10, 4:21 p.m. – Permalink
- Pupsipu
So why would you bother with AS3 and Flash, a closed source player made by one vendor, when this vendor takes over two years to port their runtime to mobiles properly?
This is while browsers are already ported and available on mobiles and need a few API updates to use all the phone's features?
- Dog-earMar 16, 10, 4:24 p.m. – Permalink
- SteveJobs
@ernexbcn - yes the iphone sdk is exceptional. they've learned from their mistakes with regards to OS development.
@lukus_W - yeaaaah, kind of. flash has been changing the last few years and it's not all about timelines and motion tweens any more. because of the extensive flash API, you can do something in as3 in a fraction of the time it would take to do it in Cocoa. And think about the number of flash apps out there that are dying to be ported to the iphone. that would be a huge win for adobe to say, "hey everyone, you don't need to learn Cocoa, just use our simple flash technology to pop out more of those games that are selling so well in our online store". all of a sudded, you're looking for the receipt to that $50 learning cocoa book you haven't cracked.
- Dog-earMar 16, 10, 4:32 p.m. – Permalink
- lukus_W
@SteveJobs;
I know I keep harking on about this.. but put yourself in Apple's position.
They've found out how to make money from selling intellectual property, without much fear of piracy. And the system works. People accept it. The iPod and iPhone are proof - and the iPad is going to prove it a third time.
They will never ever ever EVER do anything to jeopardize this.
- Dog-earMar 16, 10, 4:49 p.m. – Permalink
- Meeklo
I reckon Apple are Shooting Themselves In The Foot?
With all the skilled Flash developers out there, it would be soooo easy to get stuff done for this type of tablet.
Apple wants control of the application/ video/ music market, because it will mean more dollars for them. It's not about them not figuring out how to make it work, they don't want it to work.
and no, they are not shooting themselves in the foot.
Even with people everywhere bashing the iPad, you can bet your ass there will be a huge ass line at the apple store when it comes out.There is a new wave of apple users that got lured in to the brand thanks to the ipod's success, after the ipod they got the computer and then the phone, and now they developed a loyalty to the brand that goes beyond any actual needs.
The days of macs being targeted to graphic designers are long gone, people will buy it, cause its cheap and it has an apple logo in the back, so they can show it off, even if it doesn't do shit.
simple as that.
I do agree, flash is not dead.
- Dog-earMar 16, 10, 5:06 p.m. – Permalink
