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Does HTML5 really beat Flash? 6969 Responses
Last post: 1 year, 10 months ago | Thread started: Mar 11, 10, 8:05 a.m.
- CyBrain
Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I've read HTML5 is not a fully developed standard yet. So, real comparisons probably don't do them justice yet. This article seems to be comparing video performance and CPU usage, but HTML5 and Flash have a lot more
functionality than that. Seems like the jury is still out, but when HTML5 is here, how will it perform on different browsers? How hard will it be to develop for? It's not like there will be a timeline with and easy (mostly) software interface to use. Maybe Dreamweaver becomes a different animal altogether.Make no mistakes, the reason Jobs is against Flash isn't because of performance. It's money. He won't give up Apple's cut from app developers. All his posturing is pure bullshit.

- Dog-earMar 11, 10, 8:07 a.m. – Permalink
- uan
as long as clients have flash, you use flash, if there is no flash, use html-javascript or whatever is enabled at the clientside...webfolks always adapted and will adapt to whatever technology is out there to deliver content.
flash (or swf) is so succesfull because they were the first to bring animation to the web, now the webstandards are catching up, so in recent future there will be no need nomore for the flashplugin; I wonder how it will slowly disappear from default browser installations.
I think adobe will have to expand flash's output to plain html-javascript in the coming years, if they want to keep flash in the webdesigner/developer toolbox.
- Dog-earMar 11, 10, 8:21 a.m. – Permalink
- ernexbcn
HTML5 is a great improvement but it will take years for full browser support, I'm all for HTML5 but you can't deny there are certains sites that at the moment just can't be done with HTML5, an example would be webcam enabled sites and heavy media (advertising).
From a web developer point of view there are a lot of good things coming like web sockets, the end of cookies (or if not the end a real local storage that works like SQL), canvas, etc. But it will take time for browser support and good authoring tools to take advantage for example of the Canvas element and CSS3 animations, there are people working already on frameworks and stuff. It's safe to assume that Adobe is going to step in eventually and create some sort of IDE for using these new elements or some kind of Flash bridge between that.


- Dog-earMar 11, 10, 8:43 a.m. – Permalink
- ukit
"Editor's Note: Some people have pointed out that Ozer has done seminars and written books featuring Adobe products, so therefore he makes money from the success of Adobe Flash. We don't think that has any effect on the test outcomes, but we thought it was worth updating the post to note it."
Maybe I'm too cynical, but this "test" sounds more like viral marketing/ opinion shaping by Adobe. I'm sure the outcomes he reached are accurate, but it kind of misses the point in a number of ways, i.e.:
-HTML5 can replace far more than just video, i.e. http://mugtug.com/sketchpad/
-There are many more potential advantages to using HTML5 than just performance enhancements. Better searchability, accessibility, seamless integration with the rest of the code. As a simple example, you could style your custom video player easily instead of relying on an embedded player or a plugin. Functionality could be greatly enhanced as well.
-Flash has been developed for over a decade, HTML5 is still in its infancy and barely supported. A direct comparison doesn't really make sense, in fact in some ways it's kind of amazing HTML5 already matches or exceeds Flash's performance in many browsers.
-Am I missing something, or is there any reason browser developers couldn't build hardware acceleration into their implementation of HTML5 video codecs in future versions?

- Dog-earMar 11, 10, 10:59 a.m. – Permalink
- airey
we're effectively comparing (if you'll excuse a car manufacturing analogy) a current model affordable sedan with a tesla concept-car.
sure it shows that things like video can be launched with less resources but by the time html5 can work across all browsers including fucking IE we'll be 3-5 years down the pipeline.
with a flash player that's streamlined (you think they're not discussing this at adobe) and a computer that comes with a 2gig graphics card and a terrabyte of ram, making the resources argument a feeble academic one at best.


- Dog-earMar 11, 10, 1:37 p.m. – Permalink
- airey
hey mimio, you might want to actually look into this shit man. i mean, it sounds like you have no actual idea about the video player peeps are talking about. it's actually very impressive and tiny in file size (script and png image library). nice use of terrible cliché though. i always love me some cliché!


- Dog-earMar 11, 10, 1:44 p.m. – Permalink


