Sayonara Flash?
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- SlashPeckham
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YouTube Now Testing HTML5 as Alternative to Flash: http://daringfireball.net/linked…
- GeorgesII0
no FF support
FF.FFFFffffffuuuuuuuuuuu- They want people to use Chrome.lukus_W
- they can also kiss my ass.Autokern
- blame Firefox for only supporting an inferior codecBIGGESTDOGINTHEWORLD
- shitehawke0
May I ask, why?
What benefits does this have apart from not using a third party plugin?
- i think you've answered that yourselfSlashPeckham
- mostly starting another browser warAutokern
- Benefits? Less proprietary restrictions and more in line with the original, open nature of the WWW.detritus
- Would it be right to need a plugin to view an HTML page just containing pictures? Why should video be different?detritus
- Flash adoption is so high that there is no benefit not using it.CyBrain
- That's a remarkably short-sighted observation.detritus
- The benefit of not using Flash is not having to use Flash.MondoMorphic
- BIGGESTDOGINTHEWORLD0
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Because some of us don't want to use 90% of their processor to view a low quality video of cats. When their computer can normally do HD video with way under 50% processor usage
- Amicus0
I think FireFox will quickly move to support this. I mean, there's no reason why they wouldn't, is there?
- firefox doesn't fully support flash anyway (overlay ads dont work in that browser)SlashPeckham
- Yep they do, you're doing it wrong!rounce
- they would need to re-encode every video, Firefox only supports shitty OGGBIGGESTDOGINTHEWORLD
- CyBrain0
I've seen plenty of expandable and all kinds of rich media Flash ads on Firefox. I've seen them, tested them, etc.
- This is just more anti-Flash propaganda. html5 will never offer the features Flash does. Get over it.CyBrain
- can you click through them to the html content - things like links and live text?SlashPeckham
- Yes, if you implement it.rounce
- ta - i'll check this out...SlashPeckham
- chrisRG0
there's no such thing as htm5 x flash.
this just sounds as awkward as the old html x flash battle.
you as a designer/developer/whatever must decide what's best for each project. period.
- forbes0
funny... people has been saying flash is gonna die for years and years now.. but here we are, flash still around and getting stronger.
- You think? In my experience, it's wholly relegated to video and audio purveyance.detritus
- Oh, and banner ads, as CyBrain points out, but I do my best to ignore them..detritus
- 99.9% of my lastest jobs were flash sites/microsites, and this includes clients like mtv, diesel, maltesers, gm... if flash is dying maybe it's time to leave it all behindchrisRG
- "relegated to video and audio purveyance" means win in the contemporary internet scene.boobs
- boobs0
Flash is great™.
- kelpie0
in case you want to read the actual news rather than a blog post about the news:
- calculator0
"In my experience, it's wholly relegated to video and audio purveyance."
Seriously... You think that?
- Is for me. Except for when looking at flash sites here I rarely "see" it around.moth
- skt0
fuck it, i'm going back to VRML.
- boobs0
But audio and video purveyance is "win" on the broadband internet.
- detritus0
Yes, yes - which is why an open, non-proprietary standard to control multimedia direct from HTML signals the death knell for much Flash on the internet.
You can dance around the point as much as you like, but it's still there, right in front of you.
- forbes0
you see less flash being used nowadays because people have wised up to not using flash for everything. flash has matured in many ways and being used for things it should be used for, and that is NOT restricted to just video and banners..
high-end digital media campaigns you see on f.w.a is still extremely popular and ad agencies are still willing to fork out more money for one microsite than what youd make making 20 html sites..
not all sites are 'content' driven.. in which case html would be better, but theres a big demand for graphically driven sites that will promote a perfume, a car, etc etc..
flash is here to stay.
- "f.w.a is still extremely popular" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH it isn'tBIGGESTDOGINTHEWORLD
- detritus0
No one's honestly saying that Flash will be totally eradicated in x months time - that's not the way the world works.
What we are saying is that Flash will likely be very much relegated to a back seat, for the bulk of common internet tasks, within x years (x being low).
Which is as it should be.
I know a lot of designer types don't have enough imagination to envisage a world without their favourite money-spinning brands, but there is a world out there, beyond the walled garden.
- skt0
nairn is a visionary.
- skt0
i disagree by the way...
as touch scren technology becomes ever more prevalent a lot of the intuitive gestures that are associated with it can hardly be exploited by something as rigid as HTML. dragging, scaling, organising content in organic and fluid motions suit flash quite well.
and until then you will always have advertising. unless html becomes the choice for showing off an interactive 3d model of a lexus.
- *disclaimer: i have not really looked into any of this, too busy making banner adverts.skt
- Look into WebGLBIGGESTDOGINTHEWORLD
- have a little bit, but that's just a posrt of openGL to the browser no? doesn't necessarily cover the interactivity i was talking about.skt
- about.skt
- Oh and WebGL is crap unless you have a monster of a computer and is a shitload more hassle!rounce
- forbes0
The only way i see flash being relegated to a back-seat is if advertising agencies disappear... which they wont.
flash has a much bigger role to play in the future than you think.
- the more open and total the internet becomes the less we will need ad agencies...SlashPeckham
- detritus0
I was wondering about touchscreens, but given most such functionality is handled by the OS, I'm not sure how critical Flash is to future uptake - the iPhone seemed to do alright without it.
One thing Flash does allow for is the packaging up of otherwise open content into a form that is hard to get at, at least, by typical punters. So, there'll be a place for it on Offical Movie Sites, and a lot of advertising, sure - I also wonder whether some malevolant bastard might try and pump textual content through it too at some point? I can envisage a proprietary-focused eBook reader using Flash to stymie content copying, for instance.
i think all Im trying to say is that Flash isn't *necessary* any more. If it isn't necessary, well... it needn't be used. If it needn't be used, people will default to the cheaper, easier, mass market option. Today that's still Flash - but tomorrow?