death of hip hop
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- ukit
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/…
People are always declaring the death of things, but Simon Reynolds might have a point here, what do you think?
- ideaist0
Hip hop is not dead because...
- Lol, Madlib. Terrible emcee. Terrible dj. Makes decent beats when collaborating with others (eg, Doom, Jaydee).********
- Quite a few good artists out there. My fav has to be MF though.non
- Quasimoto is interesting though c'mon?! : )ideaist
- Beat Konducta'!!!ideaist
- Madlib is great on his own, maybe not for everyone thoughukit
- Ghostface=Samurai GodAmbushstudio
- +1 MF DoomBenja82
- Clipse? really?Point5
- the mask is really retarded thoughmarychain
- Lol, Madlib. Terrible emcee. Terrible dj. Makes decent beats when collaborating with others (eg, Doom, Jaydee).
- ideaist0
I'd say HIP - POP is dead...
- ukit0
Anyway, I thought he made a pretty good point here...
People now seem to feel that "no genre ever really dies" (to adapt the Neptunes/NERD motto). Was this in fact one of the problems with the Noughties? No genre went gently into that good night: they all clung on, cluttering up the musical landscape. This not only made it harder for new things to emerge, it's meant that we've all come to forget that, in fact, totally new things have emerged in the past.
- ideaist0
"I won't say that hip-hop is dead. But it does seem to be doing a good impersonation of being at death's door. More to the point, judging by its output in recent years, it's become a deadening force: as a listening experience, but also as something that maintains a deadlock on the musical imagination (and personal ambitions) of Black American youth. I doubt very much that this demographic has no more surprises up its sleeves in terms of sound and style, judging by past form(s) (jazz, rhythm and blues, funk, house, et al ). But that New Thing won't come until they tire of hip-hop themselves and turn against it."
Hip-hop has done what all musical forms have done before it; become popular, commodified and then left for dead by the masses looking for the next big thing, or the next big "sound" in this case which is moving towards acts like Justice, Crookers & Diplo (more club-centric sounds) because young kids in a world of temperance need to be high as a fucking kite and dancing furiously in order to feel alive...
- Let's get to the new thing then...I hope it's not Diplo LOLukit
- eieio0
ukit and the guardian don't know anything about hiphop
- ukit0
Aww thanks eieio, maybe you should read the article first?
- i dideieio
- So why not respond substantively instead of attacking the messenger?ukit
- Anyway, Simon Reynolds has been writing about hip hop for years, it's completely irrelevant that this article happens to be in the Guardianukit
- The Guardianukit
- whatever its making no point and doesn't mention like 90% of the current state of hiphopeieio
- Displaying Jay-Z, Lil Wayne and Timbaland at the top of an article about hip-hip?!ideaist
- Hip hop is dead cause that article killed it...ideaist
- Glitterati_Duane0
Even in the so called "golden age" of hip hop there were people saying it sucked. As ideaist pointed out, there are still a lot of people making good hip hop today. The hip hop that typically makes it to the pop charts is only the tip of the iceberg. And yeah a lot of it is corny. But there are plenty of corny rock bands that have achieved commercial success but noones saying rock is dead or dying. Same can be said of movies or anything else that's expected to appeal to the masses for profits sake. On some level we all sell out for the sake of paying the bills. Especially designers.
- Sell out / Buy in?! : )ideaist
- A designer "buys in" everytime he/she compromises with a client on their design(s)...ideaist
- I don't know where the fuck you came from, but you're right.monospaced
- Buy in ok lolGlitterati_Duane
- utopian0
These Three Auto-tune® Talentless Douchebags Killed Hip Hop!
- You obviously know shit about hip hop if you put Jay-Z next to those clowns. Seriously.non
- You forgot T-Pain. Jay-Z? Blow yourself!********
- My thoughts exactly.non
- birdman!version3
- I think Jay Z belongs there, and so does T-PainMeeklo
- true, jay-z doesn't belong herefues
- oh yeah he does, he might not be as obviousMeeklo
- 66% right my freind********
- ideaist0
From wilkipedia: "The term rap is often used synonymously with hip hop, however, the latter denotes the practices of an entire subculture." The above three "characters" took advantage of the sub culture and blew it out of the water...
- I think the separation of rap and hip-hop needs to be more prevalent...ideaist
- GeorgesII0
HIPHOP SUCKS,
I know what I'm talking about, I'm black.
- ukit0
Duane-
Does it matter though that 95% of hip hop being listened to is this auto tune pop shit?
Can you point to the 5% of MF Doom, Madlib, etc and say, it's still thriving?
I can see what you guys are saying, and I definitely love those underground artists, but he makes a good point that in the 80s and 90s popular hip hop was also great, just like blues, funk, jazz that was popular was great.
- brandelec0
even underground show's ^ that's what you see
- that's you in the middle, huh?monospaced
- that's maturebrandelec
- hahahaukit
- It's true to an extent, underground shows often have more white guys than commercialukit
- Not sure that really matters though, do we have to always look at it in a race based wayukit
- Glitterati_Duane0
Ukit- Yeah it matters. For the record I think most of the autotune shit is wack but I can't say I that I hate all of it. But I don't think my opinion or anyone in love with the 80's or 90's defines whether the culture is thriving. The pure fact that hip hop has gotten more commercial attention then it ever has proves that it's thriving. I just encourage people to pop the lid and dig a little deeper before judging the whole culture. There are a lot of new and old artists producing dope shit.
- You're East Coast Canadian? Buck 65?! Cadence Weapon from the West...???ideaist
- i just saw c.weapon a couple weeks ago and I was amazedeieio
- ; )... He's one of the best we got up here... Saw him here in Toronto; so fucking intense!ideaist
- Yeah dude. Not really a Buck fan but I appreciate what he doesGlitterati_Duane
- + he's been around for ages; Protest" by Buck 65 was always one of my favourites...ideaist
- He was like our biggest name in hip hop. Now Classified's taken that spot I thinkGlitterati_Duane
- Ravdyk0
Fuck that
- ideaist0
Uh, who shot biggie smalls?
If we don't get them, they gonna get us all
I'm down for runnin' up on them crackers in they city hall
We ride for y'all, all my dogs stay real
Nigga don't think these record deals gonna feed your seeds
And pay your bills because they not
Mc's get a little bit of love and think they hot
Talkin' bout how much money they got, all y'all records sound the same
I sick of that fake thug, r & b, rap scenario all day on the radio
Same scenes in the video, monotonous material, y'all don't here me though
These record labels slang our tapes like dope
You can be next in line, and signed, and still be writing rhymes and broke
You would rather have a lexus, some justice, a dream or some substance?
A beamer, a necklace or freedom?
Still a nigga like me don't playa' hate, i just stay awake
This real hip hop, and it don't stop until we get the po-po off the block- "These record labels slang our tapes like dope." and their it is...ideaist
- It's bigger than hip hopmonospaced
- I love Dead Prez. My boy stole my CD though. bitch asssherm
- ukit0
Yeah...I'm not saying I hate all that is out right now. I really like Jneiro Jarel's productions for instance.
Maybe part of this is the internet becoming widespread and making piracy easier...more serious artists see their sales drop while the cheesier one off pop songs that sell on iTunes to a mass audience rise to the top.
You can't make it anymore unless you are selling to the absolute lowest common denominator across multiple countries.
