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- lowimpakt
so - the Lisbon treaty. What make you of it?
I'm pro-Lisbon because it improves the charter of fundamental rights, improves the role of the european and national parliaments, improves the ability of the EU to tackle issues such as climate change and allow more member states joining (currently blocked by existing treaties)....
Of course only the Irish are getting a vote - although they aren't voting on the Treaty but on a change to their constitution.
- PonyBoy0
I release this thread on compassionate grounds
- GeorgesII0
I'm lived most of my childhood on this continent and I've half of my roots here, Even if the Irish vote no for a second time, the EU will find a way to bypass their choice, they already said so. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/…
I'm divided on this issue, I'm a globalist at heart, I believe a one world government is the solution but before going this way, we should get rid of all the corruption, which is f*ckn impossible.
Anyways, this treaty will pass because it has too, people fools themselves thinking the have any kind of power of influence
- Corvo20
Haven't read the Treaty, to be honest. Not sure they want us to :P
- lowimpakt0
not sure they want you??
you're in the gang, you're coming with us.
- Corvo20
Lowie,
I meant the text of the Treaty. It's fucking encrypted in bureau-tongue. I tried to read it, but I didn't understand most of the concepts therein.
(Sorry. My previous post wasn't clear enough either)
- shoes0
haven´t read it either. from what i gathered it´s the foundation for establishing a US of E. good thing imo. needs to get done, wheels in motion, better tomorrow. nationality sucks worse.
will be a beaurocratic behemoth, but why not, tis what they have now + 2 dozen smaller ones. won´t get worse, maybe better. i think what most countries have a problem with is lack of veto, but why should the smaller ones not be overruled by majority, democracy and that. if every san marino gets veto power f.ex. it´ll never work. my 2 eurocents.
- given: ratification is a farce mostly...shoes
- But the ONE thing that distinguishes Europe from the rest of the world is that big fish doesn't eat small fish.Corvo2
- At least in politics. Culturally I think we're closer than we think.Corvo2
- true, but imo it sucks that the economic/academic power isn´t combined. think foreign policy. can and should be 1 voice.shoes
- much more punch/impact that way. also efficiency could be better with a USoE. yada yada.shoes
- 28 just isn´t up-to-date anymore. reality already is we´re one big happy coutnryshoes
- only legislation, judiciary, etc. needs update.shoes
- nah. the ligatures are not as deep as you think.Corvo2
- very probable. am uninformed, don´t care anymore tbh.shoes
- freitag0
QBN made one politics thread, and that is worse enough for this site as it is. please, stop.
- oh look. the dutch pooping the party as usual :)lowimpakt
- politics is for all politicslukus_W
- I don't agree Janne. That thread is about US politics (with all due respect). Don't see why a EU politics threadCorvo2
- ... doesn't have place on here as well. Not because it's any different, but because it would be hard to track.Corvo2
- Would be hard to track/answer between EU/US posters in 1 thread. That is all, I think.Corvo2
- Furthermore, I am Corvo2, Laird of Pancakeshire, and I endorse this bread.Corvo2
- lowimpakt0
corvo - they tried to make a simpler document but it was rejected.
shoes - it's not really a federal system like the US (directly elected president, federal "control" over states etc). The Lisbon treaty improves the role of the european and national parliaments. There is a tight-rope to walk to make sure that the EU doesn't become state-like with primacy over all areas of policy in member states.
- Corvo20
I have some remarks to the Lisbon Treaty (although they're mostly from hearsay, which is why I'm not keen to post them, since they're not my own. But whatever...)
1. bigger institutions to tackle bigger questions. Fine, I agree on that principle - but how do you enforce different industrial rates between countries? Buying quotes?
2. Identity issues - e.g. Brits will never give up the Pound or the Red Buses circling Picadilly even if they rot dead. But some norm from Brussels might enforce them to do so (isn't that 50% of the fear of the EU?). The Iberians (PT, SP) will never give up their rotting bad-dressed smoky taverns and their smelly food. Wouldn't a super-state tend to "normalize" all of this?
3. Funds - Being from a small-country myself, I admit we received a lot of funds. Sure. We got the money from the northern EU tax-payers, but we also had to give up on our farming, our fishery and our language and we mostly buy their products now... Who got the jobs in the end? In what way would a stronger EU benefit that balance? Are we to stay in the end of the chain forever and be a tourist resort?
3. Job market - Best thing that ever happened to every country in the EU. Honestly.
4. Knowledge - Best thing that ever happened to every country in the EU. Cross-university projects are brilliant and there's many stuff going on. Best practice, ihmo.
In short, the trouble is still the money, and how people feel about it. Otherwise I'm pro-EU although I'm keen on Identity issues.
- raf0
I refrained from answering in this thread for a long time.. I couldn't resist in the end.
