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- Morning_star3
What puzzles and amuses me about this thread is the constant bleating-on of the left leaning QBN brethren who, for some inexplicable reason, lay ALL the ills of the modern world at the feet of one political and economic system.
The amount of virtue signalling, posturing, oh-so-trendy horse shit that is posted here with claims that - even with the most charitable and simplistic interpretation - blame a system that can't possibly be responsible.
The imperfections in the capitalist system, as well as the communist system are the humans - the fucking stupid, selfish, greedy, fucked-up, idiot, power hungry humans.
Polarising the argument is retarded and self defeating because in 3 years, 5 years, 10 years there will be trend loving, virtue signalling, shallow humans arguing the exact opposite.
The ridiculous thing is, is that capitalist/communist systems are not incompatible and a society that identifies the good things about each and nurtures them within its political and economic systems tend to blossom and bloom.- so says a commie rag ;)hans_glib
- morning star of reason...renderedred
- All marketing. It's easy to yell "socialist!", "communist!" than it is to explain that that same person that eats that up benefits from those programs.formed
- I think when people attack capitalism they are just signaling their unhappiness with the way things work currently. I agree it's silly for them to pretend theyyuekit
- all have the answers about what the best alternative is.yuekit
- Craven capitalism benefits the few, hurts the majority. It's really that simple. Leftists aren't pining for a Neo-USSR.garbage
- But the second bullshit is called on snowflake centrist argument, the conversation devolves into "virtue signaling", "posturing", or "SJW".garbage
- Are you really confused as to the extent of capitalism's influence over the modern world? What else would you blame systemic problems on, if not the systemi_monk
- that reaches into nearly every aspect of modern life, defines its values, directs its politics, and indoctrinates generations to prop it up for the benefit ofi_monk
- a diminishing handful at the top?i_monk
- A socialist country collapses (after decades of interference, embargoes, assassinations, etc) and it's somehow proof that socialism is poison to all it touches.i_monk
- But I guess millions are plunged into generational debt because they're lazy, not because capitalism makes it profitable for someone to do that to them.i_monk
- "It's not the system! Capitalism is perfect! It's the humans who are the problem!"i_monk
- No; capitalism actively incentivizes the sort of sociopathic shit that's ruining the world in the name of short-lived profit, then tells its victims theiri_monk
- poverty is a symptom of their own moral failings and character flaws.i_monk
- Yeah of course the system matters, precisely because people are flawed. Most people will just mindlessly go along with whatever system they are born into.yuekit
- However I agree with morning_star that a black and white capitalism vs. socialism divide is not necessarily the best way to think about it.yuekit
- @yuekit And that's kind of an obvious point. Morning_star subscribes to the ideas of the IDW and the Sam Harris types. It's safe to say he's a dimbulb.garbage
- @Garbage It would also be safe to say that your simplification of the 'Capitalist' problem is similarly dim. Props to you my dimbulb brother.Morning_star
- @i_monk Life is not fair and neither should it be. Capitalism cannot be sociopathic, people are sociopathic. As i said, the problem is the humans.Morning_star
- You're saying that our current incarnation of capitalism doesn't sow a greedy breeding ground for thieves that can buy their way out of punishment?garbage
- Corporations have personhood and are more powerful than nations. The people take a back seat to the bottom line.garbage
- If you can't understand that in such utterly simple terms, your bulb might be dimmer than mine.garbage
- "Life is not fair and neither should it be" sums up the sociopathy capitalism thrives on.i_monk
- communism ruined my country so I always find hilarious people from capitalist countries longing for communismernexbcn
- @i_monk. Do you think that Malaria, Volcanos, Tsunami, Multiple Sclerosis, Motor Neurone Disease etc is caused by capitalism? Do you think that communism ....Morning_star
- ...brings utopia? Even though not one single successful example can be given. The political and economic polarity you seem to yearn is myth.Morning_star
- Nobody is begging for communism, so I'm not really sure what you're getting at.garbage
- What do you want? What replaces a free market economy? Sure, more social responsibility from huge corporations is needed. And here in the UK we have ..Morning_star
- ..the monopoly commission and the financial services authority and all manner of regulatory bodies BUT business rise nd fall on their bottom line. What are...Morning_star
- ...you suggesting is the optimum solution?Morning_star
- a rebootprophetone
- A redistribution of wealth? Globally? Regionally? Who decides who gets what?Morning_star
- You already pointed out that there are many different possible combinations of socialism and free market. It's not really such a mystery, most people on theyuekit
- left just want to shift the balance towards greater social welfare and more empowerment of workers.yuekit
- Left-wingers are hardly the only ones saying the current system isn't working. Look at how quickly conservatives in the U.S. lined up behind Trump and hisyuekit
- skepticism of free trade. Or what's going on in your own country with Brexit.yuekit
- I think the disillusionment in the UK is more to do with the incompetence of all politicians regardless of their affiliation. And I agree with you that there ..Morning_star
- ...is room for criticism everywhere. My point is, is that this thread is reflective of the current on-trend political position that is essentially useless and..Morning_star
- ...decisive. The only real workable solution is, as I’ve said, a mixture of both left and right ideals.Morning_star
- i love the 'it's not the system, its the people' arguments from the right. like their belief in capitalism and distrust of others aren't one and the same.kingsteven
- i'm yet to identify one socialist on this site. at least 4 dumb as fuck extreme right anti-communists that get triggered at the thought of any social reform.kingsteven
- I indentify as a communist.deadsperm
- I don't see what's wrong with pointing out the excesses and absurdities of the current system. That's all most of the posts in this thread are doing.yuekit
- And who decided that this was a choice between only late-stage capitalism or communism?MrT
- cold-war era anti-communist propaganda equates freedom to laissez-faire capitalism and connects the dots with psychological egoism.kingsteven
- "Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself." - friedman.kingsteven
- ardent believers of capitalist doctrine are anti-communists... they see it as incompatible with their psyche.kingsteven
- that seems to be where the polarisation stems. marx knew capitalism contained the seeds for its own destruction but marxists are socially motivated so prop upkingsteven
- the system with social reform rather than let it fail.kingsteven
- not even the Germans could implement communism, they had to build a wall to prevent people from escaping their socialist paradiseernexbcn
- 3 things ernexbcn, 1. polarisation of capitalism and communism is daft (see OP and all above), 2 that's a bit xenophobic, 3. they fucking started it :Dkingsteven
- Did I say something to imply I think volcanoes are caused by capitalism? What a stupid question, part of a transparently stupid straw man construct.i_monk
- No you didn't. You did, however, imply that my observation regarding life's unfairness was a symptom of the lies and selfishness of a capitalist system. I was..Morning_star
- ...merely giving examples of things that make life very unfair that can't possibly be linked to the capitalist system. Your argument is flawed.Morning_star
- Your reading is flawed. A system that doesn't account for human nature or the 'life *should* be unfair" mentality is a flawed system. Capitalism goes beyondi_monk
- that, however, to disproportionately reward exploitation and unfairness and enshrine them as core principles.i_monk
- I wouldn't go as far as 'core principles' but i catch your drift. My question (which was asked very clumsily) is why should the economic and politicai system...Morning_star
- ...be fair? I agree it shouldn't be exploitative or oppressive etc by why fair?Morning_star
- Because either it exists to serve us or we exist to serve it. Either it is governed by our democratic equality, or democracy and equality are governed by it.i_monk
- Democracy has very little to do with it. The 'markets' along with regulatory bodies govern the businesses in a capitalists system. Consumers have a large part..Morning_star
- ...to play in the success or failure of a capitalist venture. We have the option to 'vote' with our money. The black or white scenario, we govern it, it ...Morning_star
- ...governs us, is myth.Morning_star
- How naïve.i_monk
- Just gonna leave that there are you i_monk.? No justification? no explanation? no link to inform my apparent naiveness? Unsurprising.Morning_star
- @Morning_star I'm sorry, but i_monk completely explained it. If you really want it broken down for you, I can annoyingly oblige.garbage
- Just a link will do.Morning_star
- Nah, you're just going to have to read some notes.garbage
- We are a representative democracy. Or a pshepocracy if you want to get fancy. That means that the people choose who represents us, our interests and well-being.garbage
- Our system works if it weren't for corporate personhood, which means dollars mean more than the people.garbage
- And if you want a link, here's one:
https://www.business…garbage - That would be a list of millions of dollars that Russia has pumped into our political system.garbage
- The system breaks down when we let money talk too loud. I'm not saying that there aren't corrupt Democrats, but holy shit.garbage
- The GOP is craven, and they are destroying this country.garbage
- Christ. You think i'm the naive one.Morning_star
- Do you really need examples of exceptions made for business interests, laws crafted to suit lobbyists, closed-door trade deals with industry in the room, etc?i_monk
- Gerrymandering and voter suppression of poorer neighbourhoods and demographics? Public funding of private schools? Catchment areas that exclude the poor?i_monk
- How about tax loopholes designed to be exploited by the rich/corps and the lack of political will to make them pay their share?i_monk
- How about the historical slashing of top marginal income taxes and switch to user-pays models of government service?i_monk
- Yes, you're naïve if you think Johnny Citizen speaks as loudly as any given lobbyist or corporate donation to a candidate or their tight business connections.i_monk
- I agree that everything you've just mention is true but you said it yourself, they are examples of exploitation, not the norm and not Capitalisms 'fault'. ...Morning_star
- ... In exactly the same way that Communism on paper is a fine utopian concept, however in the real world people exploit the systems leading to...Morning_star
- ...piles of very poor dead people. The examples you've given are down to the human flies in the ointment.Morning_star
- I honestly don't get your argument. You're saying that "Communism would work if not for the human element"..garbage
- ..and also saying "Look guys, the only reason Capitalism doesn't work is because we keep screwing it up, but it's better".garbage
- But you also think that people want communism and that pointing out real-world problems is just "trendy" "SJW" "virtue signaling".garbage
- https://i.imgur.com/…garbage
- As i said in the original post, i think the best solution is a mixture of both systems. To polarise the argument by claiming one is superior to the other is...Morning_star
- ...ridiculous, as the real-world systems are ultimately corrupted by humans. And the 'trendy, 'virtue signalling' tribes are out there and on here. I'm...Morning_star
- ...absolutely certain that those who were oppressed by a socialist system would be as enthusiastic about criticising it as this thread is enthusiastic about...Morning_star
- ..criticising corrupted, real-world capitalism.Morning_star
- Do you have reading problems, comprehension problems, or both? Don't answer, because I don't care.garbage
- Arrogance diminishes wisdom.Morning_star
- Faaaart.garbage
- Let me know when you arrive to a consensus.deadsperm
- Exploitation is at the heart of capitalism. It's the very core of the difference between capitalism and socialism: exploitation of labour via ownership.i_monk
- This naturally extends to flexing that ownership in the otherwise public sphere, arranging society/democracy to cater to the profitability of the owners.i_monk
- Hence lobbyists, public-private partnerships, privatization, deregulation, etc.i_monk
- shapesalad2
- When you have time to spend being gender fluid, you don't have time to manage a bank...shapesalad
- Bring your fetish to work dayi_monk
- Think ze won woman banker of the year not that long agoGnash
- They said women would make the world better. And we listened. We listened.palimpsest
- Go woke, go brokecrazyprick
- Simon beat-off materialutopian
- i suisse what you did thereAQUTE
- Good for them! If they are happy then who the fuck cares..hydro74
- All the people with money in that failing bank probably care.ETM
- you're cute.. but part of the reason was Trumps Deregulations, not because they went 'non-binary'.hydro74
- Who the fuk cares. If anything kinda cool that they're not some normal banker bro....inteliboy
- But they fucked up, both.sted
- @hydro74... I think you're thinking about SVB. Credit Suisse's issues have a long history, and have little to do with USA/Trump policies.ETM
- @ETM oh, true.. Just saw the news on the Swiss meltdownhydro74
- Large institutions like banks, spend a lot of money + time these days on woke stuff. Weekly emails on it eating up everyone’s time. Time better spent.shapesalad
- I don't imagine working with him is easy either, policing everything they say because he can claim any disagreement as 'phobia.i_monk
- Lol like they got hired because of their views are trendy and fit into the woke culture. These things don't work like in the tabloid world :)))sted
- @i_monk yeah, and results in absolutely constructive things, as we can see it.sted
- Just because they're trans doesn't mean they won't fuck the global economy in the ass.jmckinno
- hotroddy9
To honor my comrade
- yuekit4
Biotech startup raises over a billion dollars claiming they will bring back extinct animals
- Looking forward to the Jurasic Parkzaq
- https://colossal.com…yuekit
- what could possibly go wrong?YakuZoku
- Can I preorder a tasmanian tiger? I think it will get along well with my cats in the yard.Beeswax
- this might also be a new way to further destroy the delicate ecosystemBeeswax
- "The science of de-extinction never sleeps and knows no bounds. At Colossal our efforts are global in scale. Together, we will soon wake up to a better tomorrowyuekit
- as will these not-forgotten species."yuekit
- I'd love to see sabre toothed tigers or wooly mammoths roaming the plains again. If it was human caused, I say bring them back._niko
- Bring back Neanderthals.palimpsest
- ^ this x1000Gnash
- Isn’t there also an initiative about to happen in Russia w/ woolly mammoths born from Indian elephants?prophetone
- Nvrmnd same company re mammothsprophetone
- Yeah I posted about it before...now they've raised a lot of money and claim they're going to bring back even more speciesyuekit
- I see the problematic aspects.
I also see the fucking awesome ones.jagara - Like bringing back more recently extinct species, extinct because human assholery.jagara
- Would you rather own a Dodo or a Neandertha ?palimpsest
- I'd own a hot neanderthal! We used to cross-breed, you know!jagara
- https://pbs.twimg.co…Gnash
- Yeah? Hot!jagara
- why bring back old shit? Try to fix what is still living. Like the fucking last white rhino's we have.milfhunter
- @milfhunter we can do both?jagara
- Whatever money they're getting it's not being taken away from conservation.palimpsest
- PhanLo9
- Round Up Part Deuxutopian
- Good. Why do some people think the bigger a company, the more responsible they are? It’s disgusting what some get away withIanbolton
- Usually they just pay people off.
I suppose giving people cancer wasn't enough, so they upped their game to brain damage.PhanLo - 4 trials... No commentOBBTKN
- How this company can exist at all speaks volumes about American values. Between RoundUP and GMOs, we won't know the real health disasters for decades.formed
- That company is the American dream realised. Untouchable murderers ruining the lives of every single person on the planet including themselves. Legends.PhanLo
- Projectile6
- Stock market is the biggest scam goingGnash
- All we need is a long form twitter competitor and Twitter is dead.shapesalad
- Life is the biggest scam going. Especially for us peasants._niko
- After watching the Boeing documentary, I'll never get on one of their planes again.section_014
- Roddy Economics 101utopian
- airline economics is complicated. Utopians mind will be blown once he finds out first-class passengers subsidize his economy main cabin ticket.hotroddy
- nothing complicated with stock buybacks vs. letting people gografician
- Get me Jill’s number.. 10/10hydro74
- PhanLo5
I used to have this problem, but I started earning $4k a day selling Cryptonite and NFT's follow me on LinkdIn for 10 easy steps.
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- Is that the price of the house or the annual salary of a senior software engineernb
- 10 steps are too many. I like when there is 3-5 stepsdrgs
- Herman Cain approved.PhanLo
- This works, I have 7 Lambos to prove itGuyFawkes
- I like the 3-2-1 method.. Free to one = give one(me) everything free.shapesalad
- My mortgage is nearly paid off, but fuck knows how young people could buy a house these days.PhanLo
- Murican Dreamutopian
- My mortgage is less than half what a comparable apartment around here would go for. It's crazy the money folks are throwing away.formed
- more like 1.4mill....inteliboy
- Of course they could Phan all they have to do is sell some Nft’s like that 12 year old girl did and they can buy all the houses they want! Lol_niko
- _niko2
Why Indian-born CEOs dominate Silicon Valley
Indian-origin people account for just about 1% of the US population and 6% of Silicon Valley's workforce - and yet are disproportionately represented in the top brass. Why?
"No other nation in the world 'trains' so many citizens in such a gladiatorial manner as India does,""From birth certificates to death certificates, from school admissions to getting jobs, from infrastructural inadequacies to insufficient capacities," growing up in India equips Indians to be "natural managers,"
- without any malice:
obedience and loyalty.sted - He seems like a twatNBQ00
- better.com CEO accused hundreds of the 900 people he laid off on Zoom of 'stealing' by working only 2 hours daily.utopian
- https://www.business…utopian
- better.com sounds like a swell company to work at, where do I sign up and do I need to supply my own whip?_niko
- capitalism + colonialism. Like Hong Kong, India benefited greatly as part of British colony/commonwealthhotroddy
- Before Britain entered India it had 25% of the worlds trade. When Britain left it had 4%.PhanLo
- "India benefited greatly"... nevermind the famines, the holocausts, the plundering of national wealth. You're a moron hotroddy!Khurram
- Out of the 25-30 clients I’ve had for my business over the last 6 years. Of them, 4 were Indians in the tech sphere and all of them have tried to rip me off.toemaas
- So I would say from personal, consistent, experience that there is definitely a cut throat attitude and a bit of sociopathy towards people they need help from.toemaas
- On the other hand, my 1 (Muslim) Indian client outside of the tech sphere is one of my favorite and has always taken good care of me when I took care of him.toemaas
- @khurram, sure sounds like you're enjoying the commonwealth.hotroddy
- touché?Khurram
- you don't think India enjoys a competitive advantage compared to the rest of the world in part due to colonization?hotroddy
- No I don't. India was the richest country in the world until the British destroyed its industry and plunged millions into famine and poverty.#learnsomehi...Khurram
- Here's a quick primer: https://economictime…Khurram
- https://en.wikipedia…Khurram
- But please do explain how my existence exonerates these crimes. I'm very interested in this "benevolent white man" perspective you got going here...Khurram
- https://www.business…Khurram
- Nothing is done with the charity on a world stage. Yes, you don't have to point me to a book that points out the impact of colonialism. I'm a product of it.hotroddy
- So are you. and you have an advantage because you were not colonized by a shittier colonial empire speaking Italian today.hotroddy
- And I agree India was a jewel for the brits which they exploited. But didn't they get rid of the cast system?hotroddy
- There's that perspective again.. "Hey, could be worse, you could have been raped by THAT guy"Khurram
- https://www.youtube.…Khurram
- RICHEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. I'm sure that means nothing to you, but maybe they could have done it all by themselves? DuuurrrrKhurram
- You can say what you want about Stalin. But at least he made the trains run on time!Khurram
- where in the video you sent me is the rape and pillage? All it shows me is how India became the richest economy to do its trading with Europeans?hotroddy
- Yee it was how India became the richest country in the world pre-colonial period, only briefly superceded by China in the late Mughal periodKhurram
- Before both were plunged into famine and poverty following their colonial experience and meeting with European powers.Khurram
- Why are you asking me to send you videos about rape and pillaging?Khurram
- There's plenty of rape and pillaging in the Mike Davis book I linked earlier. It's a fascinating read: https://en.wikipedia…Khurram
- "Davis explores the impact of colonialism and the introduction of capitalism, and the relation with famine in particular.Khurram
- Davis argues that "Millions died, not outside the 'modern world system', but in the very process of being forcibly incorporated into its economic and politicalKhurram
- structures. They died in the golden age of Liberal Capitalism; indeed, many were murdered ... by the theological application of the sacred principles of Smith,Khurram
- Bentham and Mill."[1] The book won the World History Association Book Prize in 2002.[2]"Khurram
- You just lack an understanding of history. That's all I'm saying.Khurram
- Another thing my Indian friend told me: a lot of Indian Americans or H1Bs in tech will have massive bias towards hiring and promoting other Indian people.nb
- Look at Ireland. We brought them through the potato famine. Now they're doing great!Khurram
- He has colleagues that admit things like “I will only hire Indian people.” (He’s Indian himself and a senior manager at a FAANG company.nb
- People move up the corporate ladder quicker when there is racial bias like that. White people have been doing it for many decades in Americanb
- This also creates a similar vacuum in the middle class and these actions last for generations/centurie...sted
- That sucks you feel that way living in the commonwealth that is Canada,. Look up the benefits of British Rule in India, may help you deal with your turmoil.hotroddy
- Hotroddy's kind of person who would tell a rape victim. "You should be thankful. What doesn't kill you make you stronger"pango
- who is the rape survivor in this analogy? You or Khurram?hotroddy
- Colonised countrypango
- And you're the cunt in that analogy in case you didn't get that as wellpango
- So, I'm the cunt who raped you. Nice.hotroddy
- I'm the evil white man. That's how you see me?hotroddy
- Calm down hotroddy, you're way out of your depth. I was commenting on your idiotic "india benefited greatly from colonisation" comment.Khurram
- you on the other hand are trying to make it personal about my distant heritage from the subcontinentKhurram
- I'm finding some "get back to where you come from" vibes from you. Particularly because its me making this anti-colonial argument.Khurram
- you sound a bit racially.Khurram
- "look up, why the British Empire was great and why Indians are a bunch of ingrates!" Sure i'll find some great results with that search term lolKhurram
- That's not at all what I'm saying. I think Canada has benefited greatly from Indian immigrants.hotroddy
- India is one of the few countries in the world that exports highly skilled labour that is sought afterhotroddy
- Canada has immigrants from all over the world. And I'm British. What the fuck are you saying?Khurram
- We have quite a lot of Syrian immigrants too, waiting for you to start cheering them lolKhurram
- what does Yuekit thinks of British occupation of Hong Kong?hotroddy
- Through me and my relative comfort, India has benefited greatly. Rejoice! I think that's what you're saying.Khurram
- I didn't know the indians who are on H1B visas are refugees. It all makes sense now.hotroddy
- snarky!Khurram
- I think you're just going to keep going hotroddy. Best leave you to it xKhurram
- https://en.wikipedia…sted
- Hotroddy's the worship British kind of central american. He bend over and welcomes them.pango
- Where did you learn your geography? It's South America.hotroddy
- You boys really must go 'loony' seeing queen Elizabeth on your currency.hotroddy
- in BRITISH COLUMBIA! LOL. Talk about doubling down.hotroddy
- lol bth i dont give a shit where you're from. somewhere there is all i remembered. 50/50. oh believe me, i'd vote to change it with out thinking it twice.pango
- and yes. we're so british here LOLpango
- i call BS on you don't know where I'm from. poor cover-up to hide your ignorance.hotroddy
- we know you're not on a skilled work visahotroddy
- not only are you not British, but you're even a Canadian citizen. you cant vote shithotroddy
- LOL dude you think too highly of your self thinking that people should know where you're from. get a reality check.pango
- LOL never got a work visa. does it even last longer than 30+ years?pango
- I read the Indians started their space programme in the 70s to inspire their kids to go into science... that's all I need to know about thisSlashPeckham
- @pango- Seems a little striking seeing considering the countless Chavez conversations we’ve had. Indifference is a poor substitute for ignorance.hotroddy
- Only a simpleton assumes all Latin immigrants to the usa come from Central America.hotroddy
- Apparently they also own half the motel business in the US:
https://www.national…grafician - But regarding the tech CEOs being Indians, it all comes down to having to do the shady shit: all companies under Indian CEOs took a turn for the worst...grafician
- ...the worst not in profits - quite contrary - but in business practices, respect towards the customer & so on. Indian CEO = shady company, almost no exceptionsgrafician
- yup that's how little i give a shit to remember where you're from lol.pango
- why do you think you deserve people's memory space for you? self importance much? lolpango
- time to upgrade your 'memory space'.
https://cdn.shopify.…hotroddy - awww that's a lot of effort trying to get people to remember you. are you desperate for validation?pango
- without any malice:
- PhanLo6
- How the fuck are they allowed to do this?sted
- They will argue that protecting their stock value is critical to America's economy, and they'll get away with it. WHAT A COUNTRYnb
- go get 'em Katie! bust out the charts and wreck shit!!!!!_niko
- Increase. Shareholders. Wealth.DRIFTMONKEY
- It's called Capitalism...Google it or ask Hotroddy.utopian
- Yeah, but we shouldn’t break up FB. That’s anti business.doriangrey
- The Facebook comment is off topicmonospaced
- We should be asking how America lets so many companies get away with so much. GMO's, Monsanto, oil, food, etc., etc. It's systemic.formed
- Ramanisky25
- i guess he's better off in government subsidized low income housing. Stand in line fo' yo' cheque yo!hotroddy
- Seems to be working out well so farGnash
- yeah at least here he can fuck his sister in the privacy of his own whatever the fuck his is._niko
- isnt there parents basements windows with bernie stickers... its funny but doesnt mean anything. hell probably 3 acres of subleasingdeathboy
- when u get your degree at trump university.neverscared
- lol deathboy you can’t even write a coherent sentence. seriously, what the FUCK are you saying? I literally cannot figure out your nonsensemonospaced
- Bernie stickers? 3 acres? This is a poor as fuck trump fuckass in the middle of trump country. Obviously.monospaced
- The only way to live and deserved by fucktards.helloeatbreathedrive
- Ah. The splendour that is Casa Hayoth.Continuity
- It's interesting there was a farmer in Scotland who lived in a slightly nicer, but similar house. Trump tried his hardest to have it demolished.PhanLo
- There are basement bedrooms of 18 + kids livin with parents. And the photo could be owner of 3 acted of sublets on land with no need for anything elsedeathboy
- Did u understand how a photo and no context mostly means nothing as well?deathboy
- Deathboy, you talk madness mate.PhanLo
- Madness is what they call rationality in the emo online be trigger shit these days?deathboy
- Simply put not realizing no context but applying your feelings makes for poor choicesdeathboy
- deadsperm10
- LOL. Must be true, Canadians also live longer. Although I'd like to test living in the south of France for a while, for science.zarkonite
- Adolescent communist twit. Euros have been more physically active and ate better. The solution is not to get obese & ill and throw money at trying to reverse itBustySaintClaire
- The Mediterranean diet & lifestyle is not 'bullshit.' The Arkansas diet is.BustySaintClaire
- to be honest here, people from the US really eat like they have free healthcareernexbcn
- If we here in Denmark didn't have free healthcare we/I would be completely broke, as my other half has been in and out of hospitals the past couple of years.Nutter
- docpoz3
Capitalism has its merits and historical success. The same can be said for socialism. I understand binary fanaticism as a rallying cry but I feel, like most things in life, striking a sensible balance between the two ideologies seems to be the way to go.
New York has many social welfare and housing programs that tremendously help it's citizens. Without them the city would be a war zone.
Strike a balance that works. Obama was a spark but what the usa needs is to socialize college education (not only to prepare for the job market but for quality of community) and revisit our health care situation. Many hospitals in the usa are a disaster and need funding. I will always recommend a private hospital like Baptist over the Jackson health system in South Florida.
Capitalism has become as top-heavy as the Golden State Warriors. If the people truly want to change the status quo, it's time to look at what Canada is doing an maybe borrow some ideas. Copying features worked for the Samsung Galaxy and Microsoft Windows and it needs to be applied to government in an evolutionary and competitive manner.
- socialism is only as good as it's people. and canadians are better people.hotroddy
- USA is more like venezuela, where people are low skilled, and are quite happy to take a piece of the pie without contributing to systemhotroddy
- Canada, like all northern socialist countries are hard working people. USA has one foot in the tropics.hotroddy
- But don't worry.. one day we'll get tropical socialism. It's right around the corner once millennials start voting.hotroddy
- socialize edu happened as soon as gov guaranteed loans. banks sold u college as something special after that. Stupid if u fall for it.deathboy
- college has nothing on a almost no pay internship. period. kids get 80k in debt to be an intern. ridiculous.deathboy
- as far as socialism merits im curious? where are those to be seen? u see a small solution to a symptom w/ subsidization and say yaydeathboy
- but what really inflates cost of housing? to understand this is an entirely different beast.Monetary policy is a big player. Which is not free marketdeathboy
- But that goes back years with central banks, and who knows if we didnt control it and get a reserve currency we might be entirely in a different positiondeathboy
- we probably didnt play fair but the us came out the winner. however that might finally be changing with globalism.deathboy
- canada isn't socialistGnash
- medicare is loved by everyone, and yet people, conveniently, dismiss it and don't see what it is (look at people "scared of socialism" collecting benefits fromformed
- the govt when it benefits them). Good post, it's what we should be discussing, but fear mongering 'govt is evil' has brain washed too many, I fear.formed
- You can make a good argument that capitalism does not work without some degree of socialism, and vice versa.yuekit
- Northern countries practise 'social democracy', not 'socialism'. There's a world of difference, and capitalism plays a key role in a social democracy.Continuity
- The sooner you Americns can finally learn the distinction, the better off you will be.Continuity
- "It's right around the corner once millennials start voting."
you know the age range for millennials? or are you implying they just don't bother to vote?pango - haha yeah millennials are already the largest voting demographic. I think when people say millennial they think of a 12 year old sitting in parents basement.yuekit
- +1 to Gnash: 'canada isn't socialist' but you'd be forgiven for thinking it is since our politicians seem to think it is toospot13
- seems to me you have street-up revolutionary socialism which is hindered by the fact that revolutionaries turn out to be bad politicians / dictatorsFax_Benson
- or top-down theoretical socialism, which is usually done 'to' the proles by entitled upper-middle class twits who chose 'left' at college and want ordinaryFax_Benson
- Mixed economies work best and are most stable. Here in Canada, we're mainly capitalist, but all health care & most education is public. Great justice system.BustySaintClaire
- ..folk to be grateful to them for doing so. Hence the working class tend not vote for them, even when 'capitalism' is letting them down.Fax_Benson
- Socialism is a pretty nebulous term, it can mean anything from a hippy commune to a Stalinist dictatorship.yuekit
- yeah, career leftists need drop itFax_Benson
- Some republicans use to and maybe still refer to us as Soviet Canuckistan lol_niko
- PhanLo6
Wonder how many journalists will be murdered after the Pandora Papers reports?
- One of the stories touches Putin so...grafician
- the hackers that keep leaking these kind of files tho'...grafician
- Context: https://www.theguard…grafician
- "None of the named people are American. Interesting."
tho' :)grafician - Gawd Bless Capitalism!utopian
- Crown Estate get a mention again, Lizard Liz laundering more cash.PhanLo
- Mad she got a wee bail out last year https://www.thelondo…PhanLo
- "Putin does not appear in the files by name", but let's put him front and center in the illustrationMilan
- King Abdullah II of Jordan will be a bit upset about folk finding out about his property portfolio. :-(PhanLo
- Read on...
https://www.icij.org…grafician - ^Nice find Graf!PhanLo
- https://www.youtube.…PhanLo
- I wonder how all these leaks were obtained...is it an insider leaking the data or hacking?yuekit
- But regardless this group, the ICJJ is doing great work. I don't see any bias, they are hitting pro and anti Western governments and not really sparing anyone.yuekit
- Do your own research.palimpsest
- re: 'wee bail out' - you do know that The Crown Estate doesn't in actuality belong to the family ofthe Queen? It's essentially a quasi-trust.Nairn
- ..that's for the benefit of the country itself. It's the sort of weirdly logical entity a country with a history such as ours would end up with..Nairn
- @Nairn, I didn't bother going to far into it. But they still get 15% of that money, probably come in handy for paying for nonce Andrew's legal fees.PhanLo
- From what I remember when I read up on this a few years back, even that '15%' isn't into their pocket as such.Nairn
- Like, for upkeep of 'National Symbols' etcNairn
- Shit's like a national dividend, owned by no one, indirectly paying everyone. Look to these cunts, if you want to see real parasites:Nairn
- https://en.wikipedia…
Cunt provides nothing.Nairn - I'm no royalist - fuck the cunts, but some other cunts like the cunts, so blessed be the cunts. At least those cunts accomplish something, if not for this cunt.Nairn
- The only way it should go https://www.youtube.…PhanLo
- Well, tbf, the Romanovs were a different league of cuntery in a country long-drowned in cuntery, to this day.Nairn
- Milan6
- here it issted
- nice. decapitate the producershotroddy
- The ignorance is strong in this one. But you just keep going with your calls for violence and murder.Morning_star
- Like they won’t come for designers.doriangrey
- @Morning_star
that's the symbol of working-class resistance and a reminder for the rich what public anger can do (yeah that might involve some killing).sted - As we have seen recently in this current climate of 'news as entertainment' and 'opinion as fact', public opinion is just that. Opinion and nothing more. ...Morning_star
- ...Show me the policy, the manifesto, the coherent thought that rationalises beheading people. It's nothing more than Diet ISIS.Morning_star
- you know in america they tie people to chairs and electrocute them multiple times until dead? the guillotine is humane in comparison and was the standardkingsteven
- method in france where it was eradicated in 1981 after 4 years of not being usedkingsteven
- @king Actually we mostly run with the good ol' lethal injection these days. Due to increasing scarcity of some of the ingredients of the cocktail, the processgarbage
- ..can be much much worse. There's a sense of burning and eventually a pulmonary edema which creates a drowning sensation, like you're being waterboarded..garbage
- ..and there are cases of it taking almost 2 hours to kill a person.garbage
- It's not the method that's the problem. It's the (impotent) suggestion that mob justice is acceptable. "Strange fruit hangin' from the poplar trees"Morning_star
- Most states allow nitrogen hypoxia which is basically an exit bag. A few states allow a firing squad or hanging if the right criteria are met. USA! USA! USA!garbage
- hah, nuts. nitrogen hypoxia is a good juxtaposition for the strength of symbolism of the guillotine. perfect trade-off of mechanical terror and humaneness...kingsteven
- @morning Oh I agree that death row is an impotent deterrent of crime. "Strange fruit" is a much different and more sinister tool of intimidation.garbage
- It's really hard to know when to stop decapitating people, I think that's the problem.PhanLo
- sted8
- signed.Milan
- That's an insult to Lex Luthor.face_melter
- Lolzinstrmntl
- ah fuck sry. i forgot to link it
https://www.change.o…sted - haha, it will never happen.utopian
- ...even with the 25k signatures.utopian
- colin_s2
seriously kill the six richest men in the world and redistribute their wealth equally and the world gets to be a much better place
- (and while some may disagree with the guillotine, inequality is an exponential concept and if you can find a better mechanism than fear to keep it regulatedcolin_s
- then i'd love to hear)colin_s
- Said like a true communist.Hayoth
- Or you could kill the poor, there'd be more heads to chop but the environmental benefit would be greater.deadsperm
- could just take their money? Killing them as well seems a bit meanFax_Benson
- sounds more like a true republican.uan
- The poor are already being killed.i_monk
- they'll all be giving away their money in an attempt to drop to no.7Fax_Benson
- There is a third way.
Set a wealth bracket, anybody under or over it gets the ax.
Win, win.deadsperm - trickle-down economy believers are downvoting.Milan
- Hayoth. There are no true communists.monospaced
- It's called socialism....you fucking moron.utopian
- Can't we just kill everybody?Nairn
- Communists are a fabrication by Big Hardware that just want to sell us their hammers and sickles.
Wake up sheeple!deadsperm - lol if + are something to judge based on averages, this is quite disturbing. Up there with a fatalist approach similar to murdering the poordeathboy
- and scary if people think such redistribution = happiness... if we will go there i suggest 6 million poor over 6 wealthy. it will also help climate changedeathboy
- and overall better results. decrease low level labor supplies it should help increase wages (probably effect some costs) but ppl like higher wages.deathboy
- "lol if people like higher wages"i_monk
- who doesnt like higher wages imonk?...deathboy
- colin_s1
i cannot understand in this day and age how money and capitalism are lauded, or even defended.
yes it is true no -ism, structure or system of government has ever succeeded past a certain epoch - yet to blame the system itself is to blame the tool and not the carpenter.
to give a single human, or perhaps a small cabal of them, grotesque power over the fates of all others, will introduce god knows what kind of psychological complexes and ideas of self-validation ... that revolting ayn rand piece is a great example of how rich white men pat themselves on the back for their (often un-earned) wealth, because it distances money from negative action or consequence yet still esteems it as a "moral center."
socialism is not the answer, but it is a step in the right direction - capitalism is a system that promotes greed, corruption, envy... it is inherently divisive for the sake of markets instead of supportive of humanism for the sake of society. it is inherently corrupt and deceitful. there is nothing dignified or honorable about capitalism or those who would support it as a proper ideology.
yes power does corrupt and at the upper tiers of all systems there exists a leader gone mad. that is the failure of humans to design and maintain systems of government that can keep pace with the size of empire, and our lack of ability to create and keep in check forms of government from local to international.
the point is that these things take time, and to abandon that effort is the ultimate form of selfish denial; a "take the money and run" mentality that has already lead america to a place of national misery (regardless of political ideology), and the world to the brink of collapse, while the elites will continue to hoard wealth because their capitalist fantasies DO work - just only for them - and the rest obviously are the ones at fault.
- "has lead america to a place of national misery" and "the world to the brink of collapse" LOLOL OKnb
- more people are being pulled out of poverty than ever before. So what do you suggest? Until something takes it's place it will continue to evolve like natureIanbolton
- lots of people at the bottom have more faith in capitalism than socialism to get them out of poverty- it works for a lot of people, not all of whom are the 1%Fax_Benson
- I highly recommend you to read the book: Sapiens - the history of humankind. It will give you a glimpse how we got to this point.zaq
- and lots of people see socialism as something that is done to the working class, rather than for them - or more importanly, by them.Fax_Benson
- people need education and work, I don't care how you call the system but to be sustainable it must be productive, if not just look at Venezuelaernexbcn
- they managed to ruin a country in just 20 years, money doesn't come from the trees, an economy needs to be productive in order to sustain itself and a societyernexbcn
- if you could pick and choose policies, it would sell, but it always seems to come with ideological rules and caveats and crazy people attached.Fax_Benson
- working class people don't vote for it, which is a bit of a hindrance.Fax_Benson
- elites hoard wealth in any political system. More so in socialist and authoritarian systems where their creed is "Socialism for you and capitalism for me"hotroddy
- Every man woman and child not only yearns for money and things. But more of them. Always.robthelad
- What I don't get is why the dialogue always attacks the extremes, a mix of both ideologies is an option.T-Dawg
- A regulated market, with support for the proletariat.T-Dawg
- That's prettymuch what progressivism is.T-Dawg
- Yet the media portrays it as "socialism", and basically straw-man attacks the ideology.T-Dawg
- At the same, I find crony capitalism is often mistaken for the same thing as ideological capitalism.T-Dawg
- And maybe some of the issues that we have with the current state of "capitalism" would be improved if we addressed the cronyism.T-Dawg
- socialism is only as good as the people. so inevitably spectrum of how effective social policies can be.hotroddy
- if your citizens are shitty unproductive, unskilled people who feel the gov't owes them something than you'll have shitty socialism.hotroddy
- if society puts pressure on you to work and be productive and social policies are in place as a 'safety net' than social expenditures won't bankrupt the nationhotroddy
- and your country be occupied by complacent, unskilled, uncompetitive and lazy people. You don't have to look very hard to find CONCRETE case studies.hotroddy
- I think it's a mistake to write people off as lazy. There are lots of issues that keep people in states of unemployment. Hopelessness, lack of education, etc.T-Dawg
- I think it's more the fault of the environment than the fault of the individual. The argument is basically nurture vs. tough love.T-Dawg
- if by 'environment' you mean cold northern countries than I agree. The more tropical the climate the lazier the people.hotroddy
- but even then.. west germany had a hard time assimilating eastern germans into society as they were accustomed to 3 hour work days.hotroddy
- but it i think you are talking about individuals and I'm talking about populations.hotroddy
- There was a great comment on here a while back that said essentially, none of these terms...capitalism, socialism, etc...yuekit
- describe what goes on in the real world in any objective way. I don't find them all that helpful to have a debate over.yuekit
- I think when people these days complain about "capitalism", they are mostly critiquing the current economic system and saying something needs to change.yuekit
- Which is a totally fair point...the current system is obviously unsustainable. Look at the stats I posted above about the average people has just a few thousandyuekit
- dollars in net worth while a tiny number of people have more money than god. Meanwhile the government in the U.S. is over $20 trillion in debt which individualyuekit
- citizens are ultimately going to pay the cost of. Things may be buzzing along mostly OK on the surface, but that's a level of instability that is arguably justyuekit
- as bad as governments and systems that ultimately collapsed such as the Soviet Union.yuekit
- capitalism is a system that promotes greed, corruption, envy... haha ignore the nature of man and inherent instincts. a reason church coined original sin asdeathboy
- a control mechanism and pushed guilt. think you may have fallen pray to the trap. ukit you are right. but realizing functioning foundations and weaknesses isdeathboy
- super important. the "isms" are generalizations, but there are foundations to the logic. and humans like to use language to distort reality of things or changedeathboy
- certain truths. its always important to look at the fundemental structures and not ignore them over biased details. it is an absolute if freedom is to be retaindeathboy
- ed it needs to be in capitalistic leaning society. in collectivist societies the individual is not important. ignoring the nature that every individual findsdeathboy
- themselves very important. basic foundation blocksdeathboy
- and as far as the ayn rand piece goes. its solid rationally. you still miss the point of what money is. you assing to many fake values to itdeathboy
- you ignore the words. that money is mean of transferring value in a system, and how it supports individualistic rightsdeathboy
- a great exercise for you is to write a post explaining where it fails in reasoning and why.deathboy
- like in your statement it distance money from negative action or consequences. How so? Money after all is an object with no will but the possessordeathboy
- but your statement seems to assert it has some power in action and desire to avoid consequences, which sounds liek human interestsdeathboy
- being projected onto money. work it out. throw out your reasoning. dont do the emotional i dont accept thing and shut it downdeathboy
- capitalism is like watching a nat geo show about seeing cute creatures ripped to shreds. the alternative is watching animals in a zoo cages. seeing the confusiodeathboy
- n in the animals base instincts and how they deal with the day to day shit. i always find the latter more so much more cruel nend inhumaedeathboy
- The idea that you can construct a society based on some ivory tower philosophic principle seems very misguided to me.yuekit
- Reminds me of 20th century communists who tried to faithfully implement Marx’s ideas while ignoring real world consequences.yuekit
- exactly yuekit. its principles and foundations. every collectivist throughout history has subjugated invidiualism for the greater gooddeathboy
- if you are familiar with ant colonies you know how socialism works. the majority works for the top percent. kingdoms, even in modern culture slavery is thingdeathboy
- all promoting the same foundations. i simply acknowledge an ideal, never to be practiced 100% because of life, becase promoting the other isdeathboy
- criminal to me. That i may choose who are worthy of slaves, who can rise and be cannon fodder. Mqaybe im pussy but id much rather let natural selection decidedeathboy
- and i trust it more than my own biasdeathboy
- You don't think under capitalism the majority work for the top 1%? lol cmon...this is rather naive isn't it?yuekit
- What system do you imagine not having a top class people work for ukit? but i agree it is naive thinkingdeathboy
- there is a big difference between organic grouping and forcing behaviors. a big part is freedom to choose and to decide individualisticallydeathboy
- not all decisions will work, but millions vs singles are better able to find results that resonate.deathboy
- technically back in the day i'd agree that how people follow corporations or businesses that prop up individuals are solid market mechanismsdeathboy
- i think i understand where you may be coming from even if incorrect in the upper class. that is a charade these days. a gut feelingdeathboy
- and i agree it is. but again not an issue of capitalism.this wealth gap has almost 0 to do with capitalism besides people acting in self interests,deathboy
- its a rigged game fucking people and incentivzing those fucked to fuck themselves for the interests of their influencersdeathboy
- a sad cycle of history.the dumb and idiotic pawns are a majority. all about how using them which resonates with so many wannabe politiciansdeathboy
- which is why im all about decentralizing education and would love to remove dept of edu. edu is a foundation and current foundation is junkdeathboy
- open it up let markets and people decide what works and go from there.. yes scary letting things develop... maybe free edu poipularitydeathboy
- results in nationalism or some sort of religion. i dont know, no one does, but i just trust in life to find the best way. It always hasdeathboy
- or what like to say it is what it is because it cannot be anything but what it is in terms of naturedeathboy
- Exactly 1 dozen consecutive notes. Achievement unlocked.monospaced
- and exactly capt wow counter. did you count the words and figure out if they were quite efficient for the message? or a avg that would be?deathboy
- nothing you write is efficient, or a good use of language, but you seem proud of thatmonospaced
- and that is you just dodging the question. I get it. Lots of words talking about stuff might make those with little feel smaller. So best to try to make itdeathboy
- into an insult and hope you can bring it down to your level of little quips shared from twitter. But I dont think you see it that way. I think you actuallydeathboy
- believe you make sound and reasonable arguments. or that you are contributing. that its the only discourse you know, which is another thing postman feareddeathboy
- tl;drcannonball1978
- dodging a question? No I'm not! No question was posed of me, dumbfuck. I'm just laughing at how many comments you write.monospaced
- if you think I posed any argument here, then you are one confused little bitchmonospaced
- I KNOW I make reasonable arguments, when I choose to. That can't be said of you, though. Just lots of words. Lots and lots of words.monospaced
- did you count the words and figure out if they were quite efficient for the message? or a avg that would be?deathboy
- you are so focused on word counts and not substance I'd like to know what word count works for you?deathboy
- could you say it in less words? If you know better why not help out? Say what I'm trying to say in a more cohesive shortened statement.deathboy
- utopian3
Boeing got a record tax break from Washington state and cut jobs anyway.
A few years ago, Washington state awarded the Boeing Co. the largest corporate tax break any state had given any corporation — a massive $8.7-billion handout aimed at encouraging the aerospace industry generally, and Boeing specifically, "to maintain and grow its workforce within the state."
Unwisely, state legislators and Democratic Gov. Jay Inslee didn't make that a hard and fast requirement of the handout. So they've had to stand by powerlessly as the company has cut 12,655 jobs, or more than 15% of its Washington workforce, since that heady signing ceremony in November 2013. Layoff notices have gone out to 429 more employees in just the last few weeks.
- It's called Corporatism. Look it up!utopian
- It's not corporate greed, it's political incompetence.Morning_star
- Dems blew it here.PonyBoy
- who got the bonuses?renderedred
- It's not "dems", for fuck's sake, this is bought and paid for corporate power. It's everywhere.formed
- This is what corporations do - make more profits and cut expenses.formed
- political incompetence caused by corporate lobbying.uan
- lol—first off—I was being sarcastic. Second... if this was a Repubby run state you clowns would be all over the 'fucking republican' remarks and not...PonyBoy
- ... generalizing this as 'political incompetence' or 'paid for corpo power'. You'd be shitting on republicans along w/some #pubsgreed type accoutrements.PonyBoy
- This is proof that both sides are just as incompetent.PonyBoy
- Both are incompetent, one just happens to give handouts only to corporations and the wealthiest.formed
- Did those jobs go somewhere else? How do you just cut 12,000 jobs?freedom
- "retardation for the nayshun"fadein11
- little to do with capitalism and more politicsdeathboy
- "[...] and that's what *we're* battling [...]"mekk
- PhanLo4
- https://survivingtom…PhanLo
- Who cares about Bezos? That's just easy finger-pointing (and I have not heard a word of this).formed
- Bithc about Blackrock and other funds that are buying 10's of thousands of homes and units. Bezos and co. is not the problem.formed
- Well, yeah, Bezos is a problem for doing this. So are other property speculators. But we're the bigger problem for letting it happen.Continuity
- In that sense, we're no better than Russians, and their total indoctrination and weak protesting chops.Continuity
- Anyone here own REITs? You’re part of the problem!nb
- Own an ETF that tracks the SP500 or FAANG or growth funds? You’re part of the problem!!!nb
- The dollar is just a belief system, an IOU backed by ' '. Homes can be squatted in. It's a system that we willingly play in.shapesalad
- Lol it's the only safe haven for parking money rngrafician
- The dollar is NOT 'just a belief system' - it's the token of exchange for the largest economy in the world, backed by the largest military.Nairn
- I'm always astounded by the naiveté and, sorry (not sorry) to say - sheer ignorance - of people who spout that sort of idealised unthinking cretinery.Nairn
- A 'belief system' might apply to teh currency of a country that wields no economy, has no people and hence no necessity of exchange...Nairn
- ..which is obviously a stupid, nonsensical abstraction to postulateNairn
- For someone who obsesses over money as much as you appear to, shape, it boggles my mind how little you appear to understand it.Nairn
- Now, to be fair, there is a lot of 'made up money' in the dollarsphere, but that's a slightly different suggestion.Nairn
- Now, is bitcoin a belief system?
Answers on a postcard, please...Nairn - Honk!nb
- Yes $ is backed by the military, who are paid in $ which is backed by themselves who is paid in $ which is backed by themselves..... anyone sense Ponzi here?shapesalad
- ETH = proof of stake. SOL = proof of history. BTC = proof of work. USD$ = proof of military.shapesalad
- If we want to evolve and have world peace, we need to move to a new system. Putin hates being paid in $ for his oil/gas only to then have the FED devalue it.shapesalad
- HOOOONNNNKnb
- Capitalism is so fucking cool.utopian
- Give Jeffoz a break...
:-(PhanLo
- PhanLo6
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- No one really cares enough. But abortions, man, that gets people moving!formed
- seeing as which half the people on the list self describe themselves as 'socialists', I'm not seeing the relevance to posting in capitalism threadhotroddy
- ^FloL! Hotrods done did it again.PhanLo
- am I wrong? try to talk to me w/o insulting me. I want to understand why you think this is relevant to capitalism?hotroddy
- They're not socialists you fucking melt.PhanLo
- LOL! In which universe do you live in where Socialists are not prone to corruption?hotroddy
- You live in a strange world Hotriddles, where capitalism can do no wrong.PhanLo
- @formed...feelscanoe
- Blue lives matter... fuck. That’s supporting SOCIALISM. *checks fox news.. REPORTER WAS ANTIFA....hydro74
- I live in a world where socialism did more wrong then capitalism. But I also live in a world where some find that notion incomprehensible.hotroddy
- I *grew up in a world where socialism did more wrong then capitalism. But I also live in a world where some find that notion incomprehensible.hotroddy
- Former socialist Brazilian president Lula:
https://www.occrp.or…hotroddy - private secretary of CRISTINA KIRCHNER
https://offshoreleak…hotroddy - 99% of Chavez's gov't https://www.univisio…hotroddy
- Bolivia's evo morales:
https://www.univisio…hotroddy - the univision links don't work,. fuck it,hotroddy
- lol, are you seriously referring to people who own the most CAPITAL as socialists?!?!?!Milan
- Yes, That’s who. The Richest people in the world are socialist. It’s how they justify their corruptionhotroddy
