sigh.... inhouse life
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- lobstarr0
I just had an instance where the AM told me I sent incorrect templates to the developer... coming off as "our" problem but so delightfully choosing words that it was "my" fault.
Later I get an email from the developer saying that he was looking at the wrong templates - wow.
But no apologies from the AM... guess I should expect so much in an agency.
- but hey whatever, cant complain on my freelance rate!! hahlobstarr
- fourthgen0
i forgot about this :o
wow thanks guys. some valid points
- hilchev0
nothing you can do about it. just find a new job.
- janne760
never attempt to be smarter than your boss.
- CyBrain0
Go work for the outside company. If you work in house, it's an almost automatic bias against you they'll have. They'll always think the outsiders are the experts and you're the backup for the more creative work.
- randommail0
you will find the answers you are looking for in 'Make It Bigger' by Paula Scher.
- vaxorcist0
when looking for future gigs, try asking if anyone there has done direct mail before... if so, ask to see some of the work, and if you get painful PTSD deja-vue feelings...., leave!
- scenek0
been there. nothing you can do but fnd a way to deal with it or find a new job. bottom line, they will never be interested in your good ideas and design solutions – they hired someone to do what they say. it's like a chef taking a job at mcdonalds. except unlike that example these types of jobs tend to pay very well, haha. money vs. dignity...
- Amicus0
I hear the 'Pop' bs all the time. I respond with 'what works better with the ladies, a whispered sweet nothing in their ear or yelling at them to get naked?'
Or if it's a girl, I rephrase it slightly - 'If I was Brad Pitt, would you prefer me to whisper in your ear our club you over the head?'
- vaxorcist0
A really strong idea has it's own "Pop" whereas adding it retroactively is like painting a 1981 Chevette the color of "Ferrari Red"
- 5timuli0
"Pop"
I hear that shit every fucking day.
- set0
God damn that first post was long, i read your title at least but yea working inhouse sucks, excuse me if ive missed the point.
go freelance!
- raf0
When I was an in-house, we had marketing people flown in from 6 European countries (sometimes teams of 2-3) and from the US to discuss the website for a few hours. It took months and months of meetings like that.
The guy from the US kept insisting on things like 800x600 compliance, was very vocal about not wasting screen estate with whitespace and bragged about his US clients being very different from European audience. Months into the process, when everyone agreed to bulk of his changes and the watered down web styleguide was published, the guy unexpectedly quit and moved on to another company.
I knew he wasn't to be trusted when he came in to my desk one day just upon arrival from the airport and pulled out a new Jakob Nielsen book, very excited about it.
- NONEIS0
the truth is, you can argue with your boss, you just have to be a better communicator than them (see "convince them it was their idea in the first place") and grow a pair :D
then if you want, you can do whatever you think is best and be happy.
- if you communicate better it will sting the boss's ego and he may become very annoyed with you...janne76
- akrokdesign0
the truth is you can't argue with the boss. you wont win. so you just have to let it go and get the work done.
then if you want, you can look for an other job on the side.
if your not happy.- < you can win.... it's just a matter of finding their coffee cup unattended... you didn't hear this from me :)Amicus
- akrokdesign0
- < this...
or just let your boss think you are a martial arts instructor (in my case this is true)Amicus
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- mikotondria30
why are they paying you to make these decisions and then make them themselves ?
Sounds like your ceo has too much time on his hands, and if he can't trust the people he oversees, and doesn't employ people he trusts then management is not the job for him.
Just keep setting off the fire alarm everytime something like this happens and they'll soon get the message.
- brains0
Just quit my inhouse job. Freelance FTW.
- digdre0
to much text in this topic.
- dMullins0
Oh I agree. That sounds very very familiar. I think I know your boss's type.
Smile, nod, and ask, "What do you want me to do?" Take their direction, and do it. Otherwise, you're just causing yourself stress. Spendogg was right I imagine. This is a creative dead-end. The only thing you can probably do is put in years to get the respect you deserve, and find some other way to create work you appreciate. Otherwise, you will end up internalizing it, taking it home with you, and ruining the beginning of those vacations :)
Again, speaking from my experience, so I could be off base.