sifr vs flir
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- Coffeemaker0
What are the issues in regard to font licensing? You got to pay for each computer that renders it?
- styleplus_amillion0
Cufon beats both sifr and flir.
the kerning is shit with flir (characters tend to sloppily overlap)
sifr won't work without Flash
- poomoo0
The delay for sifr to replace the text is unacceptable.
- Moo0
so before using any fonts with Cufon its best checking the licenses etc i take it
- schjetne0
Well, the potential font licensing issues you guys are mentioning with sifr would also apply to absolutely every flash file that uses any other font than the viewer has installed on their computer. Which means about 99% of every flash site ever has got font licensing issues. This is why we (and the cufon project people) assume that sifr does not have any licensing issues. It's just Flash after all. We've always used custom fonts in Flash without even questioning the legality. What's supposed to have changed?
- excellent point. so what if some foundries would start a major lawsuit? they could win, no?janne76
- Pretty sure that'd be a tough one to win, as they would have to sue the entire internet.schjetne
- Apparently Cufon is a different matter because their embedding technique isn't incorporated into a Flash file, though.schjetne
- the thing that's changed is that the font is available as a separate flash file which can be copied and used independentlylukus_W
- technically it's not that different to cufon - it's just that cufon produces a txt file and sifr produces a binary filelukus_W
- it's about the amount of computers rendering it, no? so once it is "downloaded"..janne76
- I think the main issue the foundries raise is the possibility of people reusing the fonts publishedlukus_W
- (which is why they hate the idea of @font-face without some kind of wrapper)lukus_W
- vaxorcist0
sifr is hard to setup and tweek, therefore some developers love it because it's job security
- armsbottomer0
Cufón:
javascript font rendering, sans flash/images- damn... a bit late on that one. i should learn how to read.armsbottomer
- janne760
DAMN
"Fonts produced by the following foundries/vendors/creators are known to be safe: Adobe Systems. The following are known to require separate or extended licenses for Web Embedding: Berthold (separate), FontFont (separate), Fontsmith (separate), Hoefler & Frere-Jones (separate), ITC (separate), Linotype (extended)."http://cufon.shoqolate.com/gener…
agreement.
- 23kon0
Jordy, just work around the issues then, no?
Its not as if there arent a million and one other issues that ou have to deal with or workaround when you are designing for web anyways
- jimbojones0
You can still decompile sifr and get the font. it's a pain in the ass, but it's possible. Best solution ever is @font-face but I wonder how long will it take it to sort out browser support and legal stuff.
- janne760
i asked because i was wonderin if there are cross platform aliasing/anti-aliasing issues...
- lukus_W0
I think about it in terms of compromise...
1) if dealing with static headings -> produce a proper nice sharp bitmap and use image-replacement
2) if styling dynamic headings, considered use of cufon will often be better than default fonts.
3) choose default font-families carefully to ensure that the fall back is still reasonable.
I know that sifr used to (and may still) have issues with transparent backgrounds -> transparency + flash is not-possible on some systems - so the background would default to block colour... this produced a far worse effect than bad aliasing ever could. And kerning + tracking sometimes seems pretty dodgy with sifr to me.
At the end of the day, not one of these font-replacement technologies can be seen as a silver bullet.
- moth0
I personally don't think the type foundries have leg to stand on legally. I paid for the font, I expect to be able to use it online.
How I choose to implement that use is neither here or there. GIF, JPG, VML, SVG... it's all the same.
- Coffeemaker0
how well does Cufon render across browser/platforms and *cough* IE6?
- janne760
hmmm not bad?
http://www.cameronmoll.com/artic…but you can't select the text here, while on other sites using cufon you can..
examples:
http://wiki.github.com/sorccu/cu…
- moth0