Brad Pitt Rocks!
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- utopian0
very annoying and preachy...
- Shaney0
sounds okay to me..
Brad Pitt gave me hash:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/home…
- gramme0
I love Brad Pitt as an actor, and I think his philanthropic efforts are very commendable and very useful in the lives of downtrodden people (I'd call those efforts Christ-like, even), but I just lost a lot of respect for him at the personal level. I stopped watching shortly after he called Maher's movie "insightful". It's not because of his disdain for organized religion—he's certainly entitled to his opinion—but the implied misunderstandings about middle-road objections to the legal validations of gay marriage, as well as his assessment that Maher's movie was actually worth a damn. The issue of legalizing pot, well I won't even dignify that one with a response.
(Notice I say "middle-road" objections, because there are people who claim to be religious that do in fact hate gays, and are very wrong for doing so; but the middle-road approach is one that accepts people as they are but is not willing to accept all of their actions and choices as legally valid. Because yes, it is possible to separate person from action in a relational sense. We all have intrinsic equal value, but none of us are doing commendable things all of the time, and to deny that fact is to become a push-over. E.g., one can go down to their local homeless shelter and try to befriend and help out drug addicts, all without endorsing their drug addiction.)
We've become a culture that shapes moral standards based on what's currently popular, and on misguided notions of tolerance. I think a lot of people have bastardized the true meaning of tolerance and acceptance. And I think Maher is dead wrong that people who think this way about "tolerance" are "in the closet". Rather, they are very vocal and proud of their stance. Which is fine, we live in a great country where such freedom is allowed, but that also means I'm free to think they're mistaken.
- So what you're saying is you accept gays, but they'll burn for their sins?schjetne
- All of us, myself included, are responsible for our sins, unless we allow Christ to shoulder that burden.gramme
- I believe we're all in the same boat whether we realize it or not.gramme
- Even if marriage is contended - an equal standing (in a legal sense) is something gay couples deserve.lukus_W
- monkeyshine0
...this thread reeks of man-crush
- ceiling_cat0
It's better to be lean like Bradd Pitt
- 3030
Who is Tyler Durden? :)
- harlequino0
Nice thread...."sir."
- baseline_shift0
What a disgusting display of ass kissing.
Bill Maher is a self righteous, pretentious, and misleading fuck.
And Religioulous was crap. Talk about MTV style, 'find the idiots and argue with them' type of reality show bullshit.
- < spot on with the "find the idiots & argue with them" approach. Well put.gramme
- facts are facts though so his points remain releventversion3
- No, because he gets "facts" from a bunch of misguided fringe types.gramme
- what 'facts' are presented in religious? It was all inflammatory rhetoric in a Michael Moore styled 'documentary'baseline_shift
- It was very over-egged... but a lot of religious propaganda is equally as biased -> perhaps the intention of the film was to highlight this?lukus_W
- highlight this bias?lukus_W
- CygnusZero40
Good actor, keeps very busy outside of acting. Hard to really take shots at the guy because he's better looking and richer than all of us. Just makes you look like a pompous designer that noone cares about.
- CygnusZero40
Good actor, keeps very busy outside of acting. Hard to really take shots at the guy because he's better looking and richer than all of us. Just makes you look like a pompous designer that noone cares about.
- brandelec0
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- dopedopepope
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- BRNK0
Gramme: RE: Tolerance & Atheists/Rationalists.
It sounds like you are pretty severely under informed on the stance of most atheists (certainly the most visible figureheads) on the idealised, liberal version of tolerance. Read practically any book by an atheist thinker and you'll soon realize that we stand fervently against religious moderates and others with credos of blanket tolerance because there are ideas that are demonstrably dangerous and harmful that cannot be conscionably defended under the banner of tolerance.
I suggest Sam Harris's The End of Faith, or if you're feeling a bit more adventurous Christopher Hitchens' God Is Not Great.
Please take the time to ensure that you're not totally misinformed the next time you'd like to speak on the tenets of atheism.
- akrokdesign0
make it right foundation - is great!
- gramme0
BRNK:
I was not by any means speaking about atheists, in fact I've not heard Pitt declare himself to be one. He merely said he's irreligious. I was actually thinking mainly of people like Maher (who is probably not an honest atheist as you'd define it) and the myriad agnostic/laconically "Christian" people one finds in this country. Those are the people who are all about this "blanket" tolerance you refer to.
At any rate, it's good to know that genuinely atheistic thinkers out there take a stand against blind tolerance that lacks standards. I agree with their conclusions, even if I disagree with their foundations.
I am curious though, how would you define a "religious moderate"? Is it someone who's not a fundamentalist, but isn't theologically liberal either? Or is it something else in your point of view?
- 7point340
why are we as a people so concerned with the opinions of others?
- MarleyMarl0
gramme: do you have any friends who aren't raving loonie god lovers?
- Mimio0
It's not the law's responsibility to respect religious ideals. This is isn't Iran.
- ceiling_cat0
wen i created teh urth, i sed let me luk like bred pit