Depressions
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- pascii
A old friend of mine which i don't see that often anymore but is still close.he started to drink and is a creature of the night (club)and things are getting worse. he's complete out of his mind :( i recieve weird text and emails(@all). and i am not sure how to deal with it.
he's depressed, sure. manic depressive. and he refuses to do things, so he is still stuck in a mcjob and now, his wife and kid left him.
how can i tell him politely that he should start over and look for professional help? i am pretty speechless about all that...
- ephix0
tell him politely that he should start over and look for professional help
- paraselene0
:(
sorry to read this, pascii. your friend is lucky that you care about him.
do you know any of his other friends and family? maybe if you approach him together so that he sees that more than one of you share the same opinion that he seek help, he'll realise that it's serious.
good luck.
- OBBTKN0
I´s not going to be easy Pascal. Looking the media pressing constantly about the world ending etc... ;)
The fact is if he wants to go back with wife and kidies or wish to start a new life.
We´re actually on mad days now, it´s not easy to manage the pressure of being married, probably economically borken, etc...
The first thing i´ll say is; try to breath a bit, try to get help from family and friends, and take a time for be alone and enjoy a bit the life. Regenerate and stop this mind-blowing spiral.
Exercise, enjoy nature, learn to being alone and take time for you is vital to kick in the ass to the sadness
- paraselene0
dame viv westwood was on jonathan ross on friday night and quoted a projection, haven't followed up on the science behind it, but it's quite shocking:
by 2050 there will be 10 billion people on the planet.
by the end of the century there will be 1 billion people on the planet.it's enough to depress anyone.
- Where are going the rest 9 billion?OBBTKN
- death by cataclysm. drought, famine, migration.paraselene
- Migration to where? Another planet? I know... our planet cannot sustain those amount of peopleOBBTKN
- But, i think the humans will conquer another regions before those kind of extermination... or... i wishOBBTKN
- paraselene0
she was citing lovelock:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jam…apparently since he said that in the independent, he has recanted. still, it's a terrible thought.
- CGN0
tell him go get on qbn
- Khurram0
I don’t know your friends personality so I don’t know how responsive he would be to your “intervention”. Of course he needs to be at a point where he makes a concrete decision of his own to get this shit handled.
Having said that, does he do drugs? If so, maybe you can talk him into purchasing the following:
Wellbutrin/Burpropion – great for depression acts as a norepinephrine and dopamine reuptake inhibitor (similar mechanism in which cocaine acts, but obviously there is NO HIGH, just self-esteem enhancement)
Lithium – One of the most effective medications implicated in quietening the “manic episodes” highly recommend this, pretty much a vitamin supplement easy to purchase.
Selegeline Hydrochloride/Deprenyl – My favourite (amazing effects on libido) selective inhibitor of MAO-B; MAO-B metabolizes dopamine and phenylethylamine. It also partly metabolises in to l-methamphetamine, which helps concentration. The overall effect is a feeling of both well being and DRIVE (focused drive). However use this selectively, as tolerance to this drug can grow super-quick, so low dose one week on one week off.
I would also recommend testosterone boosting for any man, as the sense of well-being and "empowerment" this hormone provides is unparalleled. But i wouldn't expect the unitiated to start fucking about with their hormones, that can bitch slap you in the face if you don't know what you're doing.
This should set him right for a brief period, giving you a window of opportunity in which cognitive behaviour therapy style intervention can be effective – i.e, he can work on the core issues and core behaviour realigning the neural pathways through behaviour adjustments and controlling the spiral of negative thoughts at the route.
If you need sources for these medication, let me know.
G’luck!
- You also have SSRI's for extreme cases, but i wouldn't want to fuck with my serotonin levelsKhurram
- not that they aren't effective. In which case, Prozac, Zoloft and citalopram are all goodKhurram
- he's doing a lot of marijuana. i always thought, this was the start of the illnesspascii
- GET HIM THE FUCK OFF THE MARIJUANAKhurram
- i know. but tell an additctpascii
- maybe take him on a long break out into the country to ween him off the drug? MJ is psychologically addictive notKhurram
- physcially so that shouldn't be an issue. Though that is going beyond the call of duty on your part.Khurram
- +1 on getting him to ditch the weed. fucking hell, that'll make the best of us paranoid and depressed after a whilekelpie
- chossy0
Be careful and calm, if you feel like you want to tell him he needs help then maybe take him to a nice wide open park or wide open space and tell him that way he won't feel trapped in anyway and won't feel like you are forcing him and he can also run away if he likes and not knock into people and tables on his way.
Good luck.
- souljar0010
pascii,
Very few people that are depressed actually realise how depressed they are. Most just think that all the things that are happening, crap job wife leaving them etc are bad luck.He's your mate, dont feel bad about telling him that you are worried about him. Thats what friends are for after all.
- pascii0
well,
i've told him this 5 yrs ago before he went to a mental institution. and i talked to him 2 yrs ago, when he started smokin pot again and again, was 3 months away. manic depressions are such a weird thin. how to give a person like that some ground?
- Khurram0
Maybe give him the drugs i reccomended in his tea without him knowing?
Or watch the timeless spectacle of self-destruction, but sometime, there just ain't noffink you can do.
There is glory in suffering and joy unto death!
- gramme0
It sounds like there may be a chemical imbalance that needs to be firmly but gingerly addressed, and only with the people he trusts being present for this conversation.
That being said, there is tremendous healing at the foot of the cross. All depression, whether initially driven by hormones/chemicals or not, is a spiritual and emotional condition. Denial of that fact merely makes things worse.
I hope your friend can find some true joy.
- benfal990
write him a letter
- chossy0
Pascii you should probably contact some experts, soon. Hopefully they can give you good advice on how to approach this kind of thing as a friend might. Then if need be they can help with future treatment etc.
- janne760
Pascii, i hope professional help is more accessible in Switzerland than it is over here. At least not with incredibly long waiting lists. Best thing you do is talk to a professional, or perhaps simply a community worker as they should at least have leads for you to help him. Let them know you believe it is serious and that you wish the best for him.
Goodluck my friend, you are a great human being.
- Khurram0
Also, once/if he gets the chemicals in his body in check, some form of behaviour therapy would be necessary.
Steer him to the works of Buddhism/meditation/suffism/yoga etc. Ultimately he will need to realign his "thinking" pattern, as in quieten the voices in the head. Psychologists have discovered that mediatation has actual real physiological effects on the brain (due to its neuro-plasticity) changin neurological pathways and changing the way you think.
Especially the weed which makes you so absorbed in ur thoughts, has created a very very bad pattern in his mind of being absorbed and IDENTIFYING himself with his thoughts. He needs to de-identify with his thoughts.
An anology use is to become like one who observes his thoughts as a parent observes the amusing and silly behaviour of his children - dis-identification
Eckhart Tolle is good for the layman, IMO:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Power-No…http://www.amazon.co.uk/New-Eart…
And yes i know you're all alergic to Oprah recommended self-help trite crap, but this stuff is very good if you can get through some of the hippy-shit.
Of course it's most important to get the chemicals, or rather the neuroligical activity aligned properly first. Which means quitting the ganja and wellbutrin+lithium are highly indicated for bipolar personality disorder, generally safe and well tolerated.
- kelpie0
quit the ganja, then quit the ganja, then quit the ganja some more
- moth0
If your thirsty friend was my thirsty friend he wont listen for at least the first 4 years of the downward spiral.
He's only just started. He's probably got no intention of finishing (yet).