your workplace policy
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- GridGirl12
...on taking a designers files/art modifying without their knowledge.
Fair game? Designer should be in the know? F the whiney designer, get it done & present it?
- mydo0
Fair game? Designer should be in the know? F the whiney designer, get it done & present it?
- GeorgesII0
we're ALWAYS ask before taking someone else's work,
I even hate when they touch my machine without my permission, imagine what would happen if they use my work without asking!
- baseline_shift0
so you are mad cause somebody effed with your logo?
- GeorgesII0
- is this a joke?GridGirl12
- im 11GridGirl12
- sadly yes ;)GeorgesII
- hott!janne76
- DaveO0
Company work = company's right to do what the fuck they want.
They pay you don't they? Yes?
Would you like STFU with that?
- right. But shouldnt they let you know whats going on so you can learn?baseline_shift
- it's not a support group, it's a job.NONEIS
- well, any job would surely want their designers to be in the know. Otherwise youll be fixing their work forever.baseline_shift
- +1pylon
- NONEIS0
If it's your Creative/Art Director or something, there is no "policy", it's their job to fix something you can't nail. If it's your peer or something, and they were not directed to do so by your employer, then yeah, be a little pissed.
- Or something.NONEIS
- ^^^ ?GridGirl12
- sorry, did I confuse you somehow ?:|NONEIS
- The point I was making up there, is that it depends on where you work, but "helping you learn" is not a default...NONEIS
- I have worked places where frankly, if other people are fixing your shit, you get canned.NONEIS
- Agreed.pylon
- well 'fixing' and 'changing' arent necessarily the same thing. Seems to be a push for creative controlGridGirl12
- Your Art Director HAS creative control, whether you think their opinion is shit or not.NONEIS
- tedvandell0
Sometimes we polish other peoples turds, but usually we just move on to make a fresh new pile of poop. If it's really important we might take it and sprinkle some powdered sugar on it too.
- baseline_shift0
ive had AD and CDs take an awesome mark ive designed, take off my type, and slap some free 'da font' action underneath. And yeah, it really drove me nuts. But, they sign the checks so i guess my hands were tied.
- Come on you KNOW it was an improvement ;DNONEIS
- this is the type of shit im talking about.GridGirl12
- Work hard and become an Art Director, then you can shit all over someone else's work and deliver karmic payback.NONEIS
- kelpie0
well, from a client's perspective your work is the studio's work, so if something needs re-done or modified and you can't do it yourself there really isn't even a question there, it just has to get done
- from a studios perspective, it's their work.NONEIS
- you don't sign it off, and at no point do you own it eitherkelpie
- who's work, the client's? of course is it, they pay for itkelpie
- Actually, when you do work for a client, you are only selling them the right to USE it unless specified otherwise.NONEIS
- do you do lecture tours?kelpie
- I can make an acceptation for you Kelpie ;DNONEIS
- by 'acceptation' you 'exception' of course...duckofrubber
- yesh, i know spell or grammaticer so greats.NONEIS
- and I think you MEANT, "meant exception"NONEIS
- Stugoo0
as long as they keep a back up of the orignal its fine... its not really _your work_ its the companies...
- Scotch_Roman0
Work for yourself and that kind of crap never happens ;)
But yes, this is all part of the agency game. I don't think this sort of thing happens very often in design firms though, at least not in my experience.
- GridGirl120
truly, not 'my work'. And i understand getting the job done is the bottom line. But fixing and changing are different. Im not talking about poor design. Ive seen a lot of my work get substantially worse in what seems like a push for creative control.
i watch awesome projects become nofolio pieces quick.
- Fixing and changing are also quite often the same thing, though it's hard to see it in the trenches. It's a business.NONEIS
- nah. ive seen a lot of battles for creative control that were 100% ego based.baseline_shift
- I said "quite often", not always, or more often than not, just quite often.NONEIS
- nicole_marie0
i feel as though if they are directed to do something then they have to, i always give the other designer the courtesy to let them know what i plan on doing and make sure they are okay with it because it was their work to begin with.
but i did work with a fucker that would take my work without my permission and put his horrible shitty design "spin" on it before we would present without telling me and with no direction to do so, just because he thought his way was always better. and that to me is wrong, everyone has their own perspective for a reason.
- yeah, it becomes an ego thing. and it really sucks right before presentation.baseline_shift
- Scotch_Roman0
^ I think you're right pylon, that often in agencies "nothing is holy". I imagine it has something to do with the fact that agencies help their clients sell stuff and sometimes use graphic design to communicate the message; whereas design firms do graphic design and sometimes they design ads. The difference seems subtle in writing, but it's profound in practice. There usually seems to be more courtesy regarding intellectual property being shown by colleagues and clients alike in design firms—because the primary commodity being produced is design, rather than advertising.
That's what I've seen at any rate, having worked for both agencies and studios.
- baseline_shift0
This DEF happens in design studios as well as agencies. In fact, in studio environs, there is waaay more ego involved, as apposed to functionality/appropriateness for client. Everyone wants to be the hotshot best designer.
- plash0
work done for a studio/ agencies is just that. agencies/studio work. the original designer has no say. its not their work. its good courtesy to inform but not necessary
- TINKLDN0
i used to have to amend or fix other peoples work all the time as part of my job. there is no room for a designer who can't cope with that. especially one whose work needs fixing in the first place.
- did you ask them to fix it first? and they couldnt? or you just prefer a typeface and switch it out?GridGirl12
- depends on the situation... if they were there, and free, then we would have them do it themselves.TINKLDN