European Elections 09
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- eating_tv
So, did you bastards vote for something xenophobic? It's only the Brits and us Dutch today (97 MEPs). Tomorrow it's the Irish and Czech (12 MEPs) and the rest follows saturday and sunday.
- GeorgesII0
Here we have the "lega nord" and I'm so voting them!!
more lega in europe, less islam in italy!!
fuck yeah
- BaskerviIle0
I voted on the way to work. and not for anyone xenophobic.
BNP is first on the ballot paper, since it's in alphabetical order. A worry since the kind of people who may vote for them are also the ones who are too lazy to continue to read the list
- Corvo20
My impression is that it'll turn to the Right in the whole.
- Autokern0
I will decide tomorrow if I'll vote.
On one hand i'm absolutely disgusted by the choices i have (all of them)
On the other hand... my right to vote was something that costed too many lives to be ignorantly dismissed in that way.Meh.
- GeorgesII0
because they use fear mongering, fear is a good method to get dumb people to move their xenobutts
shame on those who don't vote too,
because they will complain later, +1 for baskerville for taking some time out to vote
- eating_tv0
^ oy not only Baskerville did his European model citizen's duty. I just voted too. And definitely -not- on Wilders' PVV.
- raf0
Look at your country's MEPs now. I bet in most cases they are people their party colleagues wanted to get rid of or people who needed political holidays. That's because EP is irrelevant. It has no real power. It is good money though.
The reason for that is the EU, as a legal entity does not exist yet. The Maastricht Treaty put it on the drawing board, but it's still not err.. fully (or legally) operational.
Just like that one battle station wasn't (or everyone thought so). The legal entity in place is still European Community (and some other ones). So the MEPs go there for the nice pay (plus fat pension), for the euro-image and to let their local electorate forget their flops.However, when the Irish are forced the Lisbon Treaty referendum down their throats, things will change. The EP will have real power since then. That's why they treat these elections more seriously than the former ones. And they will force the referendum down Irish throats very soon. Rinse and repeat until they say yes.
Lisbon Treaty will come to life then. Everyone thinks it changes voting rules and ratios to streamline things. It does in a way. Hardly anyone realizes, it actually establishes the European Union. As a state. All the little countries that have veto power now will become irrelevant. It will be hard to get your point across in the sea of MEPs, if not impossible.
This is probably why the liberal guy I am (liberal as in libertarian, not US liberal), I say, vote nationalist. Vote for the people who might still care about your country.
I'm not much of a nationalist myself, I'm actually an expat because I didn't like living in my home country. I'm not even voting in either of the two countries, because on the election day I'll be bathing in the sun on a Barcelona beach (that's why I won't be able to contribute to this thread more regularly). But I realize that a well functioning system is one that is decentralized in many respects, like Switzerland. Not centrally organized, like EU is set to be. And I realize that MEPs are a detached class of their own, who will be more loyal to their EP salaries and pensions than their electorate.
That's why it's worth voting for people who are mental enough not to get corrupt there I guess.Apologies for the rushed and chaotic post, I'm off to the airport.
¡Hasta la vista!
- Good points. I agree with some of them but disagree with lots of them.Autokern
- moth0
Completely disagree Raf.
In some respects, MEPs have more power to actually change things than our MPs. It usually pans out they meddle with the shit I give a shit about, and I don't like that shit meddled with when we have the capacity and skills to meddle with our own....... er....... shit. Such as farming and fishing.I'd happily vote for whoever will get us out of these agreements. That probably leaves BNP and UKIP, so I'll probably draw a pretty picture of a fish on my ballot paper, or, for the first time in my life, I'll simply not bother.
- lowimpakt0
It's wrong to say that the EP is useless but whatever.
moth, the Lisbon Treaty will for the first time provide mechanims for member states to leave the EU (secession).
Also, the Common Agriculture Policy accounted to almost 50% of EU budget spending. This gives an indication of the complexity of the issue and how these issues can be managed in a supra-national organisation within a global market.
- digdre0
pfft, first time voting..
and I don't give a shit
- Corvo20
I'm seriously thinking of voting blank (and I mean blank, not invalid). If only blank could reduce seats...
- lowimpakt0
moth - can you explain precisely how farming is being decimated by the EU and how farming would have developed outside of the common market?
One of the problems is the principle of free movement of goods, open competition and non-protectionism. This is actually a founding principle of the EU (post War re-development) so will be hard to change.
- eating_tv0
The argument that the EU is destroying our markets is flawed. The opening of borders and the installment of the euro as a stabile currency have saved us countless amounts of money and little problems with import and export. Fishing should be regulated because we're quickly depleting the fish stocks and farming has to up it's game because more than half of the population of the world lives in urban areas nowadays.
If you want to go back to hunter-gathering be my guest and move to Palin country.
- TheBlueOne0
*silently hopes GetRefresh enters your thread and says something about your euro's politics. silently assumes it would be vulgar, insensitive and non-sensical as what he says about american politics
- digdre0
In holland:
voting blank is no vote
no going to vote is vote for the one with most votes
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but yea, they don't have to vote over there.
we have to. pfft
- Corvo20
Holland:
PVV - 15,3%
Labour - 13,9%Is this reliable news?
- Corvo20
Leak. Holland faces sanctions from the EU since results should only be known on late Sunday.
- Corvo20
I think I'm voting blank. I can't make it voting r-wing. It's really an absurd situation. left sucks.
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