Non Profits
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- jgrillo
I have been working for this non profit (for free!) for a few months now. All their materials suck, so I figure I am doing a good thing, helping out a good cause and doing some fun work. They start asking me to do these projects with less than a days timeline, complain about the end result, and after I work on this t shirt for like 2 weeks and they reject 3 designs I'm really ready to tell them to go fuck themselves.
but my girlfriend works for them.
fuck.....
- airey0
sorry to hear and welcome to the real bullshit world. i've done the same thing a few times and it's almost always the same. in the end, some fucker who has "corel on their PC at home" will usurp your work and take it over as '"they can do it better and on time"...
i do the emergency architects australia newsletter for free and it's the first time that it's gone well. they're really nice and appreciate any time you give. it's the polar opposite of usual circumstances.
- airey0
post your tshirt designs if you can. at least you can hear something other than negativity about them here!
- braaad0
Nonprofits tend to be incredibly unorganized and inefficient. Usually really nice people tho.
- flashbender0
if they are hassling you and bitching and not happy with your work, tell them (politely) that maybe they need to find someone else to do the work.
Or make up a story that you just landed a big contract job and don't have time to work for free anymore and since they don;t seem all that happy with your work anyway, now would be a good time for them to find someone else.
- shitehawke0
I have found that most non profits actually have money to spend, after working with several small NPC's and NGO's. I always charged them even though I thought I was being cheeky and found that while my rate was reasonable (I always gave them a good rate but never told them i was giving a discount etc) they never once quibbled over the price or told me I was too expensive. But sometimes while working on a project the scope might go outside of my original estimate and I usually let it slide.
It seems that while you thought you were doing the right thing by helping them out, ultimately by offering your services free of charge they have no real understaning of the work you put into the designs nor do they appreciate it. By charging for your services your work becomes valuable to them, it costs to make changes and so they start to realise that in order for jobs to run smoothly and stay on budget their input is needed and so they can take ownership of it.
Im not saying that this is the way to go, its just my experience of working with those types of groups.
- fiesta0
you know to get out when you start getting feedback from the clients friends who they had over for a dinner party the night before.
- GetRefresh0
Your girlfriend isn't your Wife, so fuck them. If your girl has a "major" problem with this, get a new piece of ass.
Why waste your time working for free these asshats don't even appreciate you. It's either them, or you must really suck at what you do— whatever.
- agreed. Separate your professional life from your personal life. Non-profit is best when you do work for them as CHARITY. If you're F/T, quit.mistahle
- jgrillo0
Its just so fucking stupid. They give me so much sass and dump all these stupid projects in my lap. Its fucking free work! Im not going to stop my life to get you the shit your not paying me for, and then take crap for it!
I have given myself these few rules regarding work outside my job.
1. it has to be substantial (more than 8 hours of time needed)
2. I need to have most creative control (Im not a fucking monkey)
3. It needs to be exciting or doing some sort of worldly good.
4. If its for free, its on my time table (within realistic constraints)In other words, its gotta be worth the time.
- nicole_marie0
It sounds like you have already decided that you don't want to be there, you either need to discuss the process of the work bring given to you and how you could better serve them if they gave you more time, better feedback or just bow out gracefully, especially if your gf works there.
- << Let them try to do the work that you were doing.baseline_shift
- they would give it to my girlfriend who would bring it home and ask for help..............jgrillo
- Blue_Balls0
non-profits tend to rake more profits in then corporations, it is just that they cook the books really well
- scarabin0
i did the same thing when i was freelancing back in the day.
one of my girls runs a homeless shelter nonprofit and i agreed to do some materials for them (identity, 2 program booklets, website) for a tenth of what i would normally charge.
i would do it again because i love my girl and believe in what she does, but they were hands down the shittiest client experience i've ever had.
they'd wait until the day before printing to give me content (after several weeks of putting it off), then have changes at the last minute, and ALL of their revisions were illogical, being decided by a committee (uh oh no.1) of women (uh oh no.2).
i learned then that giving a discount somehow makes clients feel like they are entitled to more work than a regular paying client, which is utter bullshit.
just finish the jobs you started, then say you're too busy to take on any more work every time they come to you after that with new stuff.
the bottom line is that you owe them nothing more than what you originally promised, and that you're a fool for promising more than you're willing to do for them.
live and learn...
- jgrillo0
mediocre people should not be able to be in charge of running ANYTHING.
- jgrillo0
I would feel like the good majority of people would break in a few days if they went to a hardcore art school.
- jgrillo0
/Users/jgrillo/Desktop/Tshirt.jp...
thats the shirt.
they want to "talk about it"
- jgrillo0
shit
- jgrillo0
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You can also check out our FAQ or forums and maybe you'll find what you were looking for. Or maybe you should try heading home.kingsteven - what?
jgrillo - Two fails in a row... hmmm.ETM
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- kingsteven0
if you don't think they can afford it, do it.
- jgrillo0
My point is that when I hand them something like this they ask me to make something entirely different.
I am not getting paid. This is charity work. I gave them a shirt, now they want more and just expect me to do whatever they ask as if I were a paid employee. however I am not afraid of being fired, and I am doing this as a favor, so why should I be getting bitched around like an intern?
- dMullins0
Wheres the shirt?
Tinypic.com ftw
- jgrillo0
http://tinypic.com/r/1zb5g9f/5
there is the artwork